BlaserF3 Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Surely the easiest thing to do is to recored every thing that is happening when you are stopped. Just remember to inform him that he is being recorded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Surely the easiest thing to do is to recored every thing that is happening when you are stopped. Just remember to inform him that he is being recorded. Why bother telling him?you will be in a public place,no law stopping you taking photos or video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storm in a teacup Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 Most police are used to being filmed usually by people questioning if they are acting under oath as they are freeman of the realm or some other utter nonsense. It would probably be a surprise for them to be filmed and have a normal conversation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedge Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 It's not your word against his. It's fact. He stopped you, he searched your car and he `confiscated` your cartridges. He can't deny that. I wouldn't go down the harrassment route as he will argue he had a lawful reason to stop you and it's too greater time gap. That isn't really the issue. You've had 2 very good pieces of advice from people in the job. I'd follow it, not just for your own protection but for every other shooting person who this copper may come into contact with. I know it's going to take time and effort on your part but surely it's worth it? Couple of quick questions: Did he give you a copy of the search record? (assuming he filled one out) What did he say was the correct procedure for collecting them? The usual caveat is that you've not omitted anything from your original post and he is just being awakward, exceeding his lawful powers and allowing his personal views to influence what he does. Please follow it up for the sake of everybody else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Just leave a bag of doughnuts in the boot for next time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickB65 Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Anyone can posses shotgun cartridges even with no licence , I would collect them and ask to speak to one of his superiours . I would go and collect the cartridges and ask to speak to the desk sergeant. I would relay the situation in a calm manner and clearly state the law in that you had every legal right to possess and carry the cartridges and the police officer had no right to remove them. If you meet mr plod again ask for ID which will give you name and number - respond to his questions in a polite manner but follow up with the desk sergeant if you feel you are being picked on. Most police officers are good blokes but you get the odd one which is an *** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 So what is the outcome of all this ................. what did you do in the end? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rst1990 Posted June 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 I done exactly what you guys suggested I should do. Went down to the station early in the morning and asked to see the Sargent or who ever is higher, he came out spoke to him etc he agreed about my concerns and suggested I put it all down on paper there and then and make a formal complaint. I received an apology from him on behalf of the officer involved, received my carts and yes he shouldn't have taken them. Said I shall hear from them in due course on what is happening with the case etc The Sargent is making a big thing of this. Thanks for all who has replied I shall let you guys know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Well done Rst1990, glad to see what looks like a positive outcome to this. Hopefully more of there staff will be better educated in this benifiting you, them and fellow shooters. ATB Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Well done and good for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Well done for having the courage to go & complain. Any police I ever had dealings with while shooting seem to be clueless about shooting & the laws so training is def needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Surely carrying a copy of a SGC or FAC is meaningless. It proves nothing as you may have had your cert revoked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parapilot Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Well done. We need to stick up for ourselves with police that think they are above the rules / law etc. With the Sgt making a big deal of it and suggesting a formal complaint I wouldn't be surprised if the copper in question is a total **** and isn't liked much in the station either!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzy518 Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 I'm real glad you followed this up. Glad also that the Sgt is working with you. The truth is, very few cops get much input on Firearms Law other than the very basics. Same goes for the Armed lot. Hope this all gets resolved for you soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby199 Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 I'm also very glad to see you followed this up Please do let us know the outcome. I personally have only ever experinced common sense with the police. (I'm supprised as well!) In fact I have on numerous occasions traveled across London on the trains with a SG in a gun bag (it was ovbious what it was). I consulted my FEO before the first time I ever did I case there was some kind of 'bylaw' for London public transport! He said "in a bag, no problem, I'd reccomend you take your ticket" I have never been stopped in London for it. The only time I have been asked is by the public. And they are normally just interested, or country folk themselves who see a common interest. But as stated above I would not think twice about correcting a miss informed copped on gun law. Because let's face it, I'm kosha, everything is in order and we know more about gun law than them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJW Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 (edited) Isn't taking something that is legally yours theft? I would also want to know why he wanted to know about my cars contents-did he have reason to believe you were committing an offence? If so what offence? Can he state the law in question? Don't let him get away with it-make them bring the shells back or send a courier and let them pay. Generally speaking theft requires an intention to permanently deprive the rightful owner of his property, if he handed it in to the evidence locker or what ever at the station (which he did) then that's not satisfied. Probably much more complicated when dealing with Police Officers as obviously they seize lots of illegal things they never intend to return. The only reason he couldn't stop and search a car would be if he based his decision to do so purely race/religion. The consensus on here seems to be that you don't need a cert to possess the carts. However you do need one to buy them and therefore at a push for a loophole the officer in question may say he took the carts because he thought they had been bought/obtained illegally I.E by someone who didn't have a licence. Anyway, I'm only speculating, well done OP for reporting it and I look forward to hearing the outcome. Edited June 3, 2015 by OJW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzy518 Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 The officer would have been able to find out all the information he needed at the time via his radio and PNC. He would have been able to verify that the OP was a cert holder, not a prohibited person to posess the cartridges . He did not have to sieze them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnlewis Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 I was told the same as Ozzy said when I was waiting for my FAC to come back as I had a shotgun cert already and the firearms officer took my shotgun cert awaiting a co-min cert (I was not happy about it but wanted my FAC) and he stated my shotgun cert was still live until new cert issued and if stopped the officer was able to access all my details asap and therefore not a problem providing I had not committed an offence. Only down side unable to buy cartridges there answer get a good friend with cert to buy them for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 The officer had previously ascertained the OP had a certificate I believe - and ought to have had a good reason to doubt it was still valid before getting so bolshie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Nice to see a positive outcome on this story. Well done for following up on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rst1990 Posted June 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 The officer would have been able to find out all the information he needed at the time via his radio and PNC. He would have been able to verify that the OP was a cert holder, not a prohibited person to posess the cartridges . He did not have to sieze them.Thing is, you don't need a licence to hold the shotgun cartridges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rst1990 Posted June 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 (edited) The officer had previously ascertained the OP had a certificate I believe - and ought to have had a good reason to doubt it was still valid before getting so bolshieHe pulled me last year and because I didn't have my docs on me he threatened to take my gun etcWhen he left me his last words was get your paperwork in order. So because I didn't have my docs again but no gun he took the carts instead, thinking it was his legal duty, oh how wrong he was. Edited June 4, 2015 by Rst1990 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sako7mm Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 With the Sgt making a big deal of it and suggesting a formal complaint I wouldn't be surprised if the copper in question is a total **** and isn't liked much in the station either!! I wouldn't be surprised if the Sergeant didn't actually care either way but saw the chance to gather evidence of dealing with a complaint purely to assist in a future or ongoing promotion process.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happypig Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Thing is, you don't need a licence to hold the shotgun cartridges. If you are a prohibited person you can not even possess airgun ammunition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 If you are a prohibited person you can not even possess airgun ammunition AKA fishing weights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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