Chrissmith0881 Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 I know this has been done before but I'm so confused and could really do with knowing the exact law. A while ago I spoke to my feo and asked him if land has already been cleared am I ok to shoot on it he said if it's definitely been cleared and I can check by phoning in its fine to shoot on but recommends me getting the permission in writing to keep just in case. Today I have rung the firearms department and woman there has told me the land I was checking is cleared but I need to send a signed land form in to them so they can put on file. I obviously have a closed ticket and the police force is Derbyshire not sure if there is a difference in forces but wish they was all singing from same hymn sheet!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 They don`t sing from sheets,they make it up as they go along.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 No, you do not need to send in a signed form, there is no requirement anywhere in law for that to be the case. I'd suggest you speak to the person again, and ask them to identify where in law it requires that of you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhawk Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 No need to send anything in.As long as it's cleared upto the calibre u have go enjoy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 I was told I definitely need a signed permission from the farmer,before I could shoot on it. Once I had sent this in,they wanted my cert ,so they could add the conditions and put it to my file. Even if it is not required by law,I would most certainly have something in writing and preferably a copy sent to the FLO just to cover yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malantone Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 I was told I definitely need a signed permission from the farmer,before I could shoot on it. Once I had sent this in,they wanted my cert ,so they could add the conditions and put it to my file. Even if it is not required by law,I would most certainly have something in writing and preferably a copy sent to the FLO just to cover yourself. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 +1 I was told I definitely need a signed permission from the farmer,before I could shoot on it. Once I had sent this in,they wanted my cert ,so they could add the conditions and put it to my file. Even if it is not required by law,I would most certainly have something in writing and preferably a copy sent to the FLO just to cover yourself. This is my understanding as well. Away from home at the moment and my ticket is open on all calibers apart from my.308 which i have only had 4 months but i think for closed, it states that you "can shoot over land that is passed for the caliber you are using and that you have the permission of the chief constable" Or something along those lines. Taken from BASC :- "Your first firearm certificate will usually have a condition restricting quarry shooting to “land deemed suitable by the chief officer of police, for the area which the land is situated”. This means that any land which you have permission to shoot over must also be approved by the police force for the area in which the land is located prior to shooting taking place." Once a certificate holder has been shooting safely for a time, the condition may be changed to allow the holder to shoot any land he has permission to shoot over without needing to seek police approval. This is known as the ‘less restrictive’ or - more commonly - the ‘open’ condition." " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 No, you do not need to send in a signed form, there is no requirement anywhere in law for that to be the case. I'd suggest you speak to the person again, and ask them to identify where in law it requires that of you. This is the correct answer. In all my 50+ years of shooting I have never had written permission from a landowner to shoot, verbal permission is all I've ever had or needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 Herts require you to have at least one on your file these days to give you the reason to posess. They used to just call the farmer but those days seem to have gone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrissmith0881 Posted October 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 I have got one on file from when I first applied but as I said never had to send any more in before as long as it had been cleared for calibre I wanted to use now they are saying I need to send form in for everything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrissmith0881 Posted October 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 Well I have just read through the firearms law pdf from this section and nowhere can I see that it says I have to put every piece of land in on file so hopefully as long as it's passed I'm fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 It clearly says it in the wording of your FAC that you can shoot there if the land is cleared and you have authority to shoot there. It doesn't say anything about sending in a permission slip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 This is the correct answer. In all my 50+ years of shooting I have never had written permission from a landowner to shoot, verbal permission is all I've ever had or needed. If plod turns up and you cannot show that you have permission to shoot on the land you are found on, you are liable to be arrested for armed trespass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 If plod turns up and you cannot show that you have permission to shoot on the land you are found on, you are liable to be arrested for armed trespass. i had a fac for 20 years, and never had written permission letter,and the police turned up one time shooting near a marine camp, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeadWasp Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 Agree there is no need to notify permission. Your condition requires you to check with the police that the land is cleared. You make an agreement with the landowner such that they legally allow you to shoot. This is a matter between you and them. There is no requirement in law to notify the police of any permissions you develop beyond one which you might use to initially demonstrate good reason to possess. There may be some confusion here due one possible reason why the police are asking for proof of permission - I was told by an FEO that the police system needs to associate cleared land with at least one certificate holder. So if the land is newly cleared (by your enquiry) it needs to be associated with a certificate holder. I also recently became aware that even though land is situated wholly in one county it may be assessed and cleared by the neighbouring county's force! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 There may be some confusion here. Possibly and i use the word lightly the police (person answering the phone) thought that it was your first permission hence they need to add the place to your file and amend your certificate as pointed out in your post as opposed to you adding a second or third (or whatever) permission. As others have stated already if the land is cleared and your have permission then fill your boots. Lots are lost in translation over the phone. Bit like on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 If plod turns up and you cannot show that you have permission to shoot on the land you are found on, you are liable to be arrested for armed trespass. There are such things as telephones and a motor cars for the police to contact the landowner and verify the situation. I'm pleased to say that the area I live in is not yet a police state and our rural police are still able to use their initiative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 There are such things as telephones and a motor cars for the police to contact the landowner and verify the situation.Ve I'm pleased to say that the area I live in is not yet a police state and our rural police are still able to use their initiative. Very parochial! I'm sure landowners are sat by their phone in case plod rings up to check every time some path plodder with a mobile phone calls them to tell them "he's got a gun". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 Very parochial! I'm sure landowners are sat by their phone in case plod rings up to check every time some path plodder with a mobile phone calls them to tell them "he's got a gun". Well, it's worked for over 50 years so I and my fellow landowners are not going to change now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 Very parochial! I'm sure landowners are sat by their phone in case plod rings up to check every time some path plodder with a mobile phone calls them to tell them "he's got a gun". Thats my take on it. Im not disputing that there is no requirement in law. Rightly or wrongly ,I was told that I needed to send a permission letter in. However, it will probably save a huge amount of trouble if there is some info on your file ,and concerning the land shot over,just in case the above scenario happens. Its just common sense really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 Very parochial! I'm sure landowners are sat by their phone in case plod rings up to check every time some path plodder with a mobile phone calls them to tell them "he's got a gun". What does written permission actually prove though, Ive got written for all my land but I could have signed it myself for all the police know. So without the police actually contacting the landowner that piece of paper could be just a ticket to poach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 (edited) Thats one of the reasons why i never ask for written permission slips i could just as easy write them myself. All my permissions are word of mouth and i have quite a few areas that i shoot.. I just have a book in the motor with all the farmers details if plod asked me, its mainly for my use saves trying to remember them all the main ones are in my phone.. Edited October 7, 2015 by hawkeye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 I just have a book in the motor with all the farmers details if plod asked me, its mainly for my use saves trying to remember them all the main ones are in my phone.. Plod might be asking you from the other side of an MP 5. I would rather avoid that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 The one farm i ring in about is the one the armed response squad turned up while Kdubya and myself were shooting.. Been stopped quite a few times while out lamping rabbits never a bother plod has been good when we have told him the name of the farmer they were happy, didn't even ask to see our tickets just gave them our details and they checked while we were talking to them...all OK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 Plod might be asking you from the other side of an MP 5. I would rather avoid that. So are you suggesting that all us open ticket holders submit every farm/land/ invitation we have to the police so that the details can be put on file. You are obviously a fan of micro management and big brother ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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