Rewulf Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 So are you suggesting that all us open ticket holders submit every farm/land/ invitation we have to the police so that the details can be put on file. You are obviously a fan of micro management and big brother ! Never suggested any such thing,and no I am not. The OP asked a question,and explained his ticket was not open. I was in a similar situation,and was told by the FLO I was not to shoot on my permission until I had submitted a letter from the farmer and it could be added to my file. I knew the land was cleared already,because they told me so. Now I could have sat there arguing with the FLO all day long that I didnt need all that hoo haa. But not having had my FAC very long ,and previous aggro with Notts Firearms,I decided discretion was the better part of valour! For what its worth,I was told any other land I got permission for,all I had to do was check its cleared and inform them I had permission by phone. Open ticket holders are a completely different situation,and obviously do not have to inform the FLO. I just think its a good idea to do so if you are going to be shooting that land regularly. Its only a phone call,and could save a lot of trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 You do need one pleace of land singed up and on file to get your fac in the first place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 Never suggested any such thing,and no I am not. The OP asked a question,and explained his ticket was not open. I was in a similar situation,and was told by the FLO I was not to shoot on my permission until I had submitted a letter from the farmer and it could be added to my file. I knew the land was cleared already,because they told me so. Now I could have sat there arguing with the FLO all day long that I didnt need all that hoo haa. But not having had my FAC very long ,and previous aggro with Notts Firearms,I decided discretion was the better part of valour! For what its worth,I was told any other land I got permission for,all I had to do was check its cleared and inform them I had permission by phone. Open ticket holders are a completely different situation,and obviously do not have to inform the FLO. I just think its a good idea to do so if you are going to be shooting that land regularly. Its only a phone call,and could save a lot of trouble. My comment was in reply to your MP5 scenario, which could apply to open and closed restrictions alike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 You do need one pleace of land singed up and on file to get your fac in the first place Where did you get that from pray tell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 It has always been so, you must put forward somewhere suitable to use your chosen caliber as your good reason to acquire. Don't forget that on the application form you have to put down where you intend to use it. Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 (edited) "Signed up" infers to me that you have to get permission in writing. Are we at cross purposes? Filling in a FAC application has to be done to the letter of course. This isn't the same thing is it? I hold an open ticket btw. Edited October 7, 2015 by Whitebridges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 Ah, I'm with you now and fully agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 (edited) Ah, I'm with you now and fully agree. Perfect. There seems to be a lot of old baloney posted about "permission letters" and so forth. It's not just here but in other posts. Sometimes it seems the Police might ask for this and therefore an applicant might think it is a requirement. It is not a requirement. However, it could be argued that it is sensible to get written permission. Believe me the folk that grant licences will look at and understand applicants attitudes, knowledge of safe shooting and the law of the land. Be prepared for a few fast balls left field if authority fancies taking you on! Edited October 7, 2015 by Whitebridges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 The chicken farm I shoot on is cleared for 22hornet but i know another guy who since shoots it and they passed it to .22lr Both the same department but a year apart . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 (edited) "Signed up" infers to me that you have to get permission in writing. Are we at cross purposes? Filling in a FAC application has to be done to the letter of course. This isn't the same thing is it? I hold an open ticket btw. Sorry for the confusion, as you say you don't need it in writting but you do need it on file. Sussex police do do a form to make things easier (for them) but if it gets you fac through a bit quicker no harm I also have an open ticket but before it was opened my feo said if the ground you want to shoot over is cleared crack on. If someone has a closed fac it does help to get in opened if you contact the police to check ground regularly Edited October 8, 2015 by bluesj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 Perfect. There seems to be a lot of old baloney posted about "permission letters" and so forth. It's not just here but in other posts. Sometimes it seems the Police might ask for this and therefore an applicant might think it is a requirement. They do ask for it,and this was the basis of the OPs question. It is not a requirement. I dont believe anyone said it was..in law. However, it could be argued that it is sensible to get written permission. I think it is, but it really depends on the type of land. If members of the public are going to be around,who might be alarmed by seeing someone in camo with a gun,they could call the police,and if no one at your local constabulary knows anything about it and the farmer/landowner cannot be contacted,you could be arrested. Even if your ticket is open,you still need permission,written or verbal. Or will the police just take your word for it ? Maybe ,maybe not. Believe me the folk that grant licences will look at and understand applicants attitudes, knowledge of safe shooting and the law of the land. This is why,if its your first permission ,it might not be a good idea to argue the toss with them. Be prepared for a few fast balls left field if authority fancies taking you on! Definitely,I had a mini exam over the phone asking if I knew what I was doing ,ie backstops,type of legal quarry, maximum range of calibres ect. At the end of the day,its pretty clear that each licencing authority does things differently when it comes to all aspects of shooting. And ,if you have been shooting for years with no permission letters,good for you. Personally ,I would much rather err on the side of caution in the early days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 (edited) So Rewulf, we are not a million miles apart. Are we? The OP was this: I know this has been done before but I'm so confused and could really do with knowing the exact law. A while ago I spoke to my feo and asked him if land has already been cleared am I ok to shoot on it he said if it's definitely been cleared and I can check by phoning in its fine to shoot on but recommends me getting the permission in writing to keep just in case. Today I have rung the firearms department and woman there has told me the land I was checking is cleared but I need to send a signed land form in to them so they can put on file. I obviously have a closed ticket and the police force is Derbyshire not sure if there is a difference in forces but wish they was all singing from same hymn sheet!!!!! To be told to do something that isn't actually the law is an issue. I think it's worth challenging when neccessary. Indeed I have done this. Some farmers / landowners around here will not be burdened by paperwork and actually know the law. Some are so busy even if you put a pre-prepared letter of authority to shoot in front of them they won't sign it. Most of this is they know damn well they don't have to. What happens next is sometimes the police phone them and it's then good to go. With an open ticket there is no bother of course. Edited October 8, 2015 by Whitebridges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 Sorry for the confusion, as you say you don't need it in writting but you do need it on file. Sussex police do do a form to make things easier (for them) but if it gets you fac through a bit quicker no harm I also have an open ticket but before it was opened my feo said if the ground you want to shoot over is cleared crack on. If someone has a closed fac it does help to get in opened if you contact the police to check ground regularly "on file" sorry I don't understand. Can you add a bit more? I don't get your last sentence either, apologies. If you pestered our force on clearing land you'd probably get short sharp shrift with knobs on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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