bluesj Posted January 4, 2016 Report Share Posted January 4, 2016 Hi all. I was talking to my feo today and he said that there are new rules on storing all reloading powders now. You should now be storing powder in a box like the ones for black powder, and if you aren't at renewal they won't renew your ticket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted January 4, 2016 Report Share Posted January 4, 2016 How would they even know you reload at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted January 4, 2016 Report Share Posted January 4, 2016 Another FEO talking rubbish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted January 4, 2016 Report Share Posted January 4, 2016 (edited) There's some confusion over this as a couple of sets of guidelines seem to contradict each other. As of now only Type 1 powders like black powder or black powder substitute (Pyrodex) are required to be kept in a special storage box. Type 3 powders (nitrocellulose reloading powders) do not have to be kept in a box. Are you by any chance under Cambridge as they seem to be the ones causing the most problems by deliberately mis-reading the guidance? This is taken from another forum I'm a member of, it was confusing back in 2014! "Spoke to Basc firearms rep yesterday , the code of practice is badly worded and should not define both powders as needing to be stored as black powder is in boxes however it may be suggested that if you have space in the black powder box it may not be a bad idea to use that for smokeless as well but also to ensure you store the black powder box in such a way that does not reduce the effectiveness of the box eg don't stack your smokeless round it or ensure in different areas .Revised document explaining things in laymans. terms to be released soon and bAsc involved with other so keep eye out on Basc website . Effectively no real change but ensure you store sensibly ." Edited January 4, 2016 by phaedra1106 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted January 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2016 Another FEO talking rubbish. This guy i tend to trust as he normally knows his stuff and is the sort to try to help not hinder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted January 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2016 There's some confusion over this as a couple of sets of guidelines seem to contradict each other. As of now only Type 1 powders like black powder or black powder substitute (Pyrodex) are required to be kept in a special storage box. Type 3 powders (nitrocellulose reloading powders) do not have to be kept in a box. Are you by any chance under Cambridge as they seem to be the ones causing the most problems by deliberately mis-reading the guidance? This is taken from another forum I'm a member of, it was confusing back in 2014! "Spoke to Basc firearms rep yesterday , the code of practice is badly worded and should not define both powders as needing to be stored as black powder is in boxes however it may be suggested that if you have space in the black powder box it may not be a bad idea to use that for smokeless as well but also to ensure you store the black powder box in such a way that does not reduce the effectiveness of the box eg don't stack your smokeless round it or ensure in different areas . Revised document explaining things in laymans. terms to be released soon and bAsc involved with other so keep eye out on Basc website . Effectively no real change but ensure you store sensibly ." I can see that if the instructions the feo's are given from on hi are wrong then they never can be right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted January 4, 2016 Report Share Posted January 4, 2016 Black powder can't be stored in a dwelling and can only be stored in a shed, outbuilding or garage and in a wooden box. This caused the FEO that processed my application some years back something akin to brain seizures trying to get his head round it. I wanted to put it in the shed. But its a fire regulation not a firearms law AFAIK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted January 4, 2016 Report Share Posted January 4, 2016 Black powder can't be stored in a dwelling and can only be stored in a shed, outbuilding or garage and in a wooden box. There is no reason (legal or otherwise) that black powder cannot be stored in a dwelling, all you have to do is comply with the following requirements, Black PowderSubject to a number of conditions, storage of Black Powder is permitted at home or businesses without needing a licence / registration or applying separation distances. Storage will be in plastic/paper containers holding no more than 550 grams of powder. No metal should be used. The containers should be in a suitable storage box. Minimum requirements: Constructed using 18mm ply or similar Compartment separators 6mm ply Air gap of 30per cent between top of powder container and top of box No bare metal on inside of box Lid to be secured and with a good seal The box must not be located under or near any means of access or escape. It should not be in the same room as flammable liquids or in areas where there is a risk of fire. There's also a fuller description about locking and securing the storage box (if it has 6 or more compartments) here, http://www.bristolmuzzleloaders.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Muzzleloading/blackpowderstore.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted January 5, 2016 Report Share Posted January 5, 2016 (edited) Another FEO talking rubbish. Probably the same rubbish as the feo that told applicant that he had to go on a firearms awareness course run by a bloke with a tree/ horticulture certificate. 1 day course = £125 to get his fac. And the organisations dont seem to get on the phone to these departments to haul them up on it and call them to account. Crazy. AND this course was supposed to be endorsed by basc. Edited January 5, 2016 by fortune Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted January 5, 2016 Report Share Posted January 5, 2016 Another FEO talking rubbish. Or not? The problem is the recent introduced explosive regulations ER2014 if you scroll down to page 100 and read the following plain english guidance document (or you can google the actual regualtions), http://www.hse.gov.uk/pUbns/priced/l150.pdf You will see that shooters powder is defined to include both black powder and smokeless powder and storing small quantities of shooters powder as per the regulation even in domestic premises is covered in Appendix 7 page 100 on and yes a wooden box should be used to comply with the ER2014 regulation. The police enforce ER2014 regulation on us as reloaders so I guess it depends on how much of a pain they now want to be and is "should be" the same as "must be"? rb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 simple how do they know you reload is the question asked at renewal or any time??? proper george Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 simple how do they know you reload is the question asked at renewal or any time? ?? proper george If you're reloading for rifle for hunting, then any expanding bullets will be entered onto your FAC at time of purchase Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanv Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 the 2014 act says that black powder and shooters powder should be in 1/2 kilo bottles and stored in special boxes for black powder. FEO's have taken it that shooter powder is nitro powder and it should be stored in a similar manner. this is wrong. shooters powder is subsitue black powder and I have a letter from the HSE and ACPO that states that nitro powder should not be taken out of its original container and should not be stored in boxes. also there is not separation distance recommended. Black powder and nitro powder should not be in the same box or container. should anybody want a copy please contact me and I will send you one Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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