Dougy Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 Swat team should have taken him out near the bakery section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby199 Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 Trains can be a sticky issue, by purchasing a ticket you are agreeing to conditions, guns on trains are frequently prohibited not by law (if in a sealed slip/bag etc) but by the train operating company rules. Thanks, did not think of that, but in speaking to FEO I was double checking law and as far as I could see the train operator had no problem as tha staff I spoke to where shooters and where more than amicable. With hindsight the worst that they could have done is asked me to get off the train... a pain in the **** but not the end of the world! Swat team should have taken him out near the bakery section. Very funny! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winnie&bezza Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 Swat team should have taken him out near the bakery section. No no no, don't run the risk of splattering blood all over the lovely cakes and uncut loafs! Should of done it in the toilet/kitchen roll section as it would of been a better back stop :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 I remember once in sainsburys Burton-upon-Trent there was a young lad in black combat gear, with a large black kit bag. Poking out of the top of the kit bag was the end of an air rifle, the Black AR15 lookalike type. Just doing a bit of shopin lol.. The young lad had not long bought it from an army surplus store in town. It was obvious the lad was a slice short of a full loaf (as we're in the bakery section all ready) I did my bit for queen and country, Crept up behind him and wacked him with a bumper pack of frozen fag got some. Not really,,,,,,some numpty at the front desk rang the police, when they turned up they escorted him out and no doubt had a few words. It was all very ,,,,,, undramatic until the feds turned up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossberg-operator Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 Got a question. Is a supermarket shopfloor a private land or a public space? Supermarkets ban thieves saying this is a private land, we don't have to let You into the premises, etc. If this is true, how can a guy carry a gun into a private land? Or am I missing something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul T Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 (edited) I agree with your point about assumption, buts that’s where it stops. Firstly despite recommending a shooter knowing the intricacies of gun law. It really should not be incumbent upon shooters because of the misconceptions of the public at large and ineptitude of our police force to know the law. Further to this, and onto my main point if its in the slip take it to church for all I care. Your being hypocritical, you are making an assumption that he did not have good reason to have it there (again not that this is required). 'Perhaps' he waked to and from his shooting permission and wanted a drink on the way home... Sorry if this is a long story but I feel it provides sufficient evidence to support my argument. I was traveling not too long ago and the quickest and easiest way to get there was by train, but planned on shooting whilst there (visiting family). As such gave my FEO a ring and he said no problem as long as in slip. Had a nice chat on my home platform with the conductor (who I now know shoots)... So through London and on the tube I trotted. Gave a smile to the armed police in Kings X (who smiled back). And was asked in M & S whilst buying a packet of crisps and drink waiting for a train if 'that' was a gun, to which I responded yes [in my eyes it would have been far more irresponsible and suspicious to say no]. And as a results got to shoot with my family and spoke to several fellow shooters en route who stuck up conversations with me (knowing what my gun bag was). So In reality as far as I am concerned he had every right to be shopping with his gun and to state what it was. Sorry mate, but your opinion is NOT the law... Extract from Firearms Act 1968 clause 19: Carrying firearm in a public place. A person commits an offence if, without lawful authority or reasonable excuse (the proof whereof lies on him) he has with him in a public place (a) a loaded shotgun (b) an air weapon (whether loaded or not) © any other firearm (whether loaded or not) together with ammunition suitable for use in that firearm, or (d) an imitation firearm A reasonable excuse would be travelling (as you were) fairly direct and not stopping off at your local supermarket en-route. I stand by my comments, whether you agree with them or not. (edit - text made a bit bigger) Edited January 17, 2016 by Paul T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 Sorry mate, but your opinion is NOT the law... Extract from Firearms Act 1968 clause 19: Carrying firearm in a public place. A person commits an offence if, without lawful authority or reasonable excuse (the proof whereof lies on him) he has with him in a public place (a) a loaded shotgun (b) an air weapon (whether loaded or not) © any other firearm (whether loaded or not) together with ammunition suitable for use in that firearm, or (d) an imitation firearm A reasonable excuse would be travelling (as you were) fairly direct and not stopping off at your local supermarket en-route. I stand by my comments, whether you agree with them or not. (edit - text made a bit bigger) So he needs to justify "good reason" or "lawful authority" to be buying gin in Morrissons on the way home from shooting rabbits on the canal path? That would be an interesting conversation to listen to Well officer, they was hopping all over the place and driving me mad, I could not get the crosshairs on the beggars long enough for any accurate shots. And then these stupid holiday-makers were coming up the canal in boats and that frightened the rabbits more. I just needed a bit of gin to calm me nerves The OP does not mention if there were any dead rabbits in a bag, so perhaps the bunny mercenary did not actually shoot anything........ maybe he was not really a bunny mercenary but just a rent-a-muppet on a Oooooo-get-me trip? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 Paul T - I have had to carry my 22 rf home before due to a road closure, this unfortunately meant walking a busy high Street whilst there was a junior school carnival taking place. Yet I felt that dis arming my rf, leaving the ammunition locked in a box in my truck and the bolt hidden in the car, safer and more lawful than leaving a gun in my car parked on a side street. So does this mean I broke the law by doing so??? if I did the world has gone mad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 Maybe he was just a misguided Walt trying to draw attention to himself and lied or grossly exaggerated when replying to the questions. The whole thing could have been his fantasy. Surely if that was the case he would have mentioned shooting the rabbits at great distances! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 yes my thoughts exactly and in my local area there is a lot of people that have there air rifle tuned to 18-25 ftlbs without fac my thoughts were more towards would a responsible shooter trying to portray the sport in the right light walk with a gun into a crowded supermarket and then mouth off about its power ? How do you know this ? and if you do know it have you done anything about it ? there is no use posting your outrage on here if not ! Fact is I am afraid is that unless you are carrying a chrono around with you and said people are allowing you to test their guns you have no idea how many are running over the limit in your area. Just because somone down the pub etc is bragging that his is running at 500 ft / lb and he has no ticket means nothing , if one or two people I know said it was raining I would go outside myself and check !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 Surely it's only illegal if he doesn't have a FAC ? Please correct me if Im wrong. If he does have an FAC with air on it,surely it will state the calibre and serial number for that rifle? If the rifle started life as a sub 12 ft lb gun,and he has 'tinkered with it' to send it over the legal limit,then the gun needs to be sent off,tested and re classified as a section 1 and its serial number put on the sec 1 register. Im pretty certain that having FAC air on your ticket does not give you the right to possess any sec 1 air rifle (like sec 2 does) 18 ft lbs or 12.1 ft lbs the rifle is sec 1. Unless he has done this,the gun is in illegal possession whether he has an FAC or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul T Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 Paul T - I have had to carry my 22 rf home before due to a road closure, this unfortunately meant walking a busy high Street whilst there was a junior school carnival taking place. Yet I felt that dis arming my rf, leaving the ammunition locked in a box in my truck and the bolt hidden in the car, safer and more lawful than leaving a gun in my car parked on a side street. So does this mean I broke the law by doing so??? if I did the world has gone mad. As far as I am concerned, no you did not. You did what any perfectly sane, law abiding firearms owner would do, and I would've done the same. Look, the law is there to prevent muppets and wannabe Rambos wandering around the streets and shops with firearms and air weapons - let's be sensible about this folks. Question and answer session now ended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aka_t50 Posted January 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 Hi guys firstly thank you all for the in put i supose my initial reasson for the post was more to get an idea of how other safe and reaponsable shooters would view the situation in my eyes i would do all possible to avoid carrying any gun in public as i know from experience that alot of jo public dnt have the education and knowledge to know what is safe or not when it comes to guns and the last thing i wnt is to be looking at armed police again or to make jo public panic in a public place when the realise im carrying a gun. I think in this case the guy was perfectly safe but a little stupid for shouting about a high power rifle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougall Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 I cant picture a scene when I would think lets pop into Tesco with a gun...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 Got a question. Is a supermarket shopfloor a private land or a public space? Supermarkets ban thieves saying this is a private land, we don't have to let You into the premises, etc. If this is true, how can a guy carry a gun into a private land? Or am I missing something? Depending on where you look for the definition a public place can be virtually anywhere. Generally speaking if the public can pass and repass there land, whether payment is made or not, then its a public space. There are bizarre exceptions including private vehilces being classed as public spaces too! However in this instance it would be to the air rifle carriers detriment if the land was to be classed as private as its unlikely he sought and gained Tescos permission to carry the gun in there so he'd be looking at a charge of armed tresspass! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossberg-operator Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 Depending on where you look for the definition a public place can be virtually anywhere. Generally speaking if the public can pass and repass there land, whether payment is made or not, then its a public space. There are bizarre exceptions including private vehilces being classed as public spaces too! However in this instance it would be to the air rifle carriers detriment if the land was to be classed as private as its unlikely he sought and gained Tescos permission to carry the gun in there so he'd be looking at a charge of armed tresspass! Last sentence of yours was my thinking as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 The OP had several choices:- He could have pointed out the error of the shopper's ways, phoned the Police or followed him to see if he had a vehicle, take the number and report it to the Police. What I wouldn't do is post it on a Forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayDT10 Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 FAC and his legality is just assuming.... However, shopping with a gun on his back...? I don't think there's any justifiable 'good reason' to have a firearm (air rifle) in a supermarket - end of! It should have been taken home first or locked in the boot of his car - preferably within his sight. That bloke is an out and out idiot and exactly the sort of person the shooting community can do without. Oh, and we shoot across footpaths all the time. The footpath across a farm is a usually a right of access not public property, so just access your risks before shooting. The info is out there with regard to legal activities and impeding the progress of footpath users etc and should be common knowledge of any shooter. Make sure you know the law, because if you are ever challenged you cannot rely on the average bobby or bobble-hat to know it verbatim. public property or right of access they are still well within their rights to be there and the same would apply if anyone was to come to any harm from your misjudgement . So I'll still reframe from shooting across them where I can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aka_t50 Posted January 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 ok guys thanks again for all the input when I read the comments about trespass on private land I looked into the status of shops and yes they are private property put they are open to the public at no charge and unless there is a sign prohibiting they carrying of a firearm then the person is well within there rights to do so as long as its safe and secure and they have good reason to do so. at no point did I intend on reporting said individual I was just getting opinions on the circumstances and how others would have would have acted Thanks again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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