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Government aren't interested in steel, as far as they're concerned you can get a job behind a supermarket till while they concentrate on city jobs for the boys. Looking after what we call skilled blokes (and they call riff raff) just gets in the way of their real interests.

 

Up ours the governments answer to closing the steel works was half a dozen factory estates, hoping to attract new business into the area after the shut down...

 

36yrs later a good few have the same sign on that they had when built... "To let"... the same will happen at Port Talbot, the government aren't interested.

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The plant is losing £1m a day. The Goofy idiot of an ex Labour leader introduced stupidly high energy tariffs. The EU slapped a 24% anti dumping tariff on imported chinese steel, the US slapped a 224% tariff.

 

Exactly.

 

Having observed just how **** Chinese metallurgy is, I'm also concerned that if we let our steel industry die (which seems to be what our political class are happy to let happen) we'll then be stuck using cheap, ****** Chinese steel which has all the structural integrity of nougat. And I'll bet that the prices they'll be selling it at then won't be below market value.

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The Chinese steel is all recycled scrap. They have been buying up all the world's scrap for more than a decade now. Its like a game of monopoly, first they buy all our scrap then they bankrupt our steel industry. Next they will put the prices back up and make our other industries uncompetitive.

 

In business there is only one reason for selling anything at below the market rate and that is to shaft the competition

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The Chinese steel is all recycled scrap. They have been buying up all the world's scrap for more than a decade now. Its like a game of monopoly, first they buy all our scrap then they bankrupt our steel industry. Next they will put the prices back up and make our other industries uncompetitive.

 

In business there is only one reason for selling anything at below the market rate and that is to shaft the competition

Were I believe ? Isn't the reason scrap price has plummeted the fact the Chinese have stopped buying?

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Government will do nothing though to upset the Chinese. Doesn't China have a lot of dealings with the city, big money going through it. Then there's JLR who sell loads of vehicles to China, and happen to be an Indian company with big money in the city (Tata's big money is in banking / finance. Steel and JLR is just a sideline)

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actually this is not correct scrap is used in all steel production, in both BOS and electric arc,... End analysis is the key issue and an area in which Chinese steel does suffer

 

 

 

I didn't know that. That explains a lot.

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Government will do nothing though to upset the Chinese. Doesn't China have a lot of dealings with the city, big money going through it. Then there's JLR who sell loads of vehicles to China, and happen to be an Indian company with big money in the city (Tata's big money is in banking / finance. Steel and JLR is just a sideline)

Tata are big in many manufacturing industries across the globe. If anything finance is a sideline for them.

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The government had lost the plot of late . EU negotiation pantomime ,Doctors strike , they need a big positive now and that should be sparing this once great nation the embarrassment of being without a steel producer . We are building 2 x 60k ton carriers ,are we not duty bound to build them from UK steel ?

Was looking on my night shift at the ships ,aircraft etc this country built up until the late 70s when production was ponced overseas leaving us producing Nissan Micras .The Indian navy using our aircraft carriers when we have not one .We had massive production capacity 2nd only to the U.S. We used to lead the way in innovation.

Some people are doing nicely because of this prostitution of our industry but it is not the people of Port Talbot .

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Junior Kinnock has now started sticking his nose in. Not heard a lot of him until now. His father made Labour unelectable, he was parachuted into the seat. He has achieved what so far? Job on a plate, marriage to the PM of Denmark and never had a proper job.

 

Little Red Prince like Mandleson

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Ministers make all manner of encouraging noises with promises of 'doing all we can' at times like this. David McClean did likewise when we were all made redundant but beyond talking nothing was done.

He was one of the ministers who subsequently voted against the public declaration of MP's expenses, which in his case included a quad bike for getting around his land as he claimed he had a disability. They're nice people. :yes:

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I'm no socialist but the choice seems pretty clear to me, pay them to sit on the dole for generations or use the same amount of money to prop up the Steel Industry and save the country the cost of buying steel from abroad.

 

Jonny Thomas was dead right with his post about cutting aid to India

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2255838/How-money-squandered-foreign-aid.html

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