m3vert Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 Ok folks just reading through my FAC again, I was wondering if someone can explain why No.6 (A) is included since I only have .22RF? I thought you needed minimum 50gm for Roe in Scotland and I wasn't aware you could get a 50gm .22RF round?? 5. The fire arms and ammunition shall be used for the shooting of all lawful quarry, and for zeroing and practice on ranges and land, over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot. 6. The holder of this certificate may posses, purchase or acquire expanding ammunition, or the missles for such ammunition, in the calibres authorised by this certificate and for use only in connection with one or more of the following, namely (A) The lawful shooting of deer (B) The shooting of vermin or, in connection with the management of any estate, other wildlife © The humane killing of animals (D) The shooting of animals for the protection of other animals or humans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 Ok folks just reading through my FAC again, I was wondering if someone can explain why No.6 (A) is included since I only have .22RF? I thought you needed minimum 50gm for Roe in Scotland and I wasn't aware you could get a 50gm .22RF round?? 5. The fire arms and ammunition shall be used for the shooting of all lawful quarry, and for zeroing and practice on ranges and land, over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot. 6. The holder of this certificate may posses, purchase or acquire expanding ammunition, or the missles for such ammunition, in the calibres authorised by this certificate and for use only in connection with one or more of the following, namely (A) The lawful shooting of deer (B) The shooting of vermin or, in connection with the management of any estate, other wildlife © The humane killing of animals (D) The shooting of animals for the protection of other animals or humans. The LAWFUL shooting of deer, it says. So technically, yes, you could. IF you were shooting roe deer with a minimum 50 grain bullet, AND a muzzle velocity of at least 2,450 fps AND a muzzle energy of at least 1000 foot pounds. Note that ALL of those must be complied with. Else, even if you have permission, it would be unlawful shooting of deer (unless humane dispatch). The police don't know - and can't be expected to know - every bullet weight available on the marketplace. Technically there could be bullets suitable for deer, so the condition is on there. The police have (from last year, I believe) been encouraged to word certificates less rigidly, and to reduce the number of un-necessary conditions on certificates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spandit Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 This looks like a standard condition regarding expanding ammunition rather than tailored to your specific circumstances. As said above, the LAWFUL bit is the clincher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 As spandit says, it's the standard expanding condition that has been used ever since expanding ammo became controlled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m3vert Posted April 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 The LAWFUL shooting of deer, it says. So technically, yes, you could. IF you were shooting roe deer with a minimum 50 grain bullet, AND a muzzle velocity of at least 2,450 fps AND a muzzle energy of at least 1000 foot pounds. Note that ALL of those must be complied with. Else, even if you have permission, it would be unlawful shooting of deer (unless humane dispatch). The police don't know - and can't be expected to know - every bullet weight available on the marketplace. Technically there could be bullets suitable for deer, so the condition is on there. The police have (from last year, I believe) been encouraged to word certificates less rigidly, and to reduce the number of un-necessary conditions on certificates. Cheers Robbiep, yeah that sounds about right. I do think they are trying to make things easier as you say. There was no mention of a Semi-auto on my cert but when I called them they said they were leaving it open to me if I wanted a Semi or not. If they had not wanted me to have had Semi they would have stated bolt action (or something similar they said). Seems a move in the right direction for once ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 Cheers Robbiep, yeah that sounds about right. I do think they are trying to make things easier as you say. There was no mention of a Semi-auto on my cert but when I called them they said they were leaving it open to me if I wanted a Semi or not. If they had not wanted me to have had Semi they would have stated bolt action (or something similar they said). Seems a move in the right direction for once ;-) Been like that forever. If you're applying for a CF, you don't put down on it whether you want a straight pull or B/A. Same as 22LR, you don't specify what you want and neither do they restrict what you can buy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m3vert Posted April 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 Strange because the Police told me in the old Central Scotland force (prior to single police force) they used to specify semi-auto, they no longer do this now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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