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All of those have a capacity of 4+1. I thought sec2 meant 2+1??

 

It does. Hatsan do Section 1 and Section 2 shotguns. Some are available in both, others are restricted. Hatsan Escort Magnum is probably what you want to look at, certainly the most popular of the Sect 2 guns. Comes in both wooden and synthetic stocks, pump action or semi.

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I started with a Hatsan. Like the extra fire power trying for three birds is almost as much fun as getting 3 for 3. Synthetic stock is a no worry solution and at the price it's easy to swap later if you want to. 7000 rounds in a year and the bolt carriage broke swapped it under warranty for £200 against an a300 again synthetic. I would practice practice and practice the mount, loose the foresight trust the gun and stop aiming. The only down side for me is using it in low light or for roosting when I will take my o/u as I have to collect the empties.

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It does. Hatsan do Section 1 and Section 2 shotguns. Some are available in both, others are restricted. Hatsan Escort Magnum is probably what you want to look at, certainly the most popular of the Sect 2 guns. Comes in both wooden and synthetic stocks, pump action or semi.

Thanks DM.

 

Ya see! More useful info that you don't get if you don't ask. What are the practical differences between semi and pump?

 

Being "Pigeon Watch" I'm amazed that there's not a sticky that explains everything there is to know about shotguns and their use. Don't want people telling me to go see a man. When it's not for a living or even trophys, some of us like the satisfaction of DIY given the relevant information. I know the info is out there in the ether (stance, head position, etc etc) but it would be nice if it was here in one place.

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I started with a Hatsan. Like the extra fire power trying for three birds is almost as much fun as getting 3 for 3. Synthetic stock is a no worry solution and at the price it's easy to swap later if you want to. 7000 rounds in a year and the bolt carriage broke swapped it under warranty for £200 against an a300 again synthetic. I would practice practice and practice the mount, loose the foresight trust the gun and stop aiming. The only down side for me is using it in low light or for roosting when I will take my o/u as I have to collect the empties.

 

I hear you oowee.

 

After what DM said I'm wondering why people go to the trouble of getting a sec 2 SGC when they could get a slot on the FAC for a sec 1 and have the option. Maybe I'm missing something.

 

Looking ahead, with a view to possibly re-loading, the semi sprays the empties whilst the O?U and the SxS either get directed into a bin or taken out with the hand right? So how far does it spray them and is the pump any better or worse? I seem to remember that re-loading is partly a hobby rather than much cost saving for someone just shooting pigeon. Is that correct?

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Thanks DM.

 

Ya see! More useful info that you don't get if you don't ask. What are the practical differences between semi and pump?

 

 

 

The semi shoots faster, it`s much easier to have a follow up shot or to take on a pair or a triple with the semi. I`ve used both in the hide, and on clays, and I much prefer the semi, it`s just easier to shoot. But other than that there`s little difference between them. Having said that, there are some people out there who are ridiculously fast at working a pump.

 

 

I hear you oowee.

 

After what DM said I'm wondering why people go to the trouble of getting a sec 2 SGC when they could get a slot on the FAC for a sec 1 and have the option. Maybe I'm missing something.

 

Looking ahead, with a view to possibly re-loading, the semi sprays the empties whilst the O?U and the SxS either get directed into a bin or taken out with the hand right? So how far does it spray them and is the pump any better or worse? I seem to remember that re-loading is partly a hobby rather than much cost saving for someone just shooting pigeon. Is that correct?

 

A lot of people start off shooting clays so there`s really no need for the Section 1 gun. Few of those who use a shotgun for pest control bother with anything over 2+1, the most common application for Section 1 guns is practical shotgun shooting.

 

Yes a semi spits the empties all over the place. How far will depend on the gun and the angle at which the shot is taken. At the charity shoot myself and Sqirrelbosher were both shooting semis and I`d say on average his empties were landing 3 or 4 feet further than mine. Pumps tend to be less dramatic but the empties can still land several feet away. Double barrels of either format you can either catch the shells as they eject or have the gun set up as a non-ejector. Semis are easier to load in the hide though.

 

I don`t reload, but I know several people who do. It can be a fair bit cheaper if you have the right contacts but if you`re just buying all the bits from your local gunshop then it`s not going to save you a huge amount. The advantage you have is that you can make whatever loads you like.

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toxo,

By the way you are intending to buy your first gun, let me know when you are looking for a car ! :rolleyes:

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That's the trouble with semis in a hide DM. Picking the cartridges up from all over the place :lol:

 

One thing I will add other than to support the buying second hand from a reputable dealer suggestion is that if you intend to use the gun primarily from a hide then a semi is easier to handle, a SXS next easiest because it doesn't open as wide, and then an O/U. You can get a decent S/H Italian semi for new Hatstand money and it will last you a lot longer. Fro SXS I'd recommend searching out one of the rare Miroku models. Built like tanks and soooo reliable. Don't know about O/Us as I couldn't get on with them.

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Was offered an Escort magnum and a Fabarm today. Both £175. Escort looked like an older model, camoed but with some of it well rubbed with 1/4 choke I think. The Italian one was really clean but no shims, a 2 3/4 chamber and a fixed 1/2 choke. Think it must've been the Ellegi from what I've read since. Would either of these be a good buy?

 

Will probably be going for a trial session next Wednesday.

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beretta a400 xplor light superb gun best gun ive ever bought had four hatsans over the years each one returned broke as the old saying goes you get what you pay for also beretta hold their price better if you decide to sell on in my opinion.

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