12gauge82 Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 Thought this may be of interest to anyone wishing to vote remain for fear of trade deals, leave campaign has said all along, trade is not done by politicians but business, this seems to confirm it. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36596060 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 His great gran parents were a mixture of German and French decent , they came to the UK as immagrants which in the points system he proposes would have been rejected. . He might claim to be British , but is not English. How does that work then? Wasn't he born in England? And commodity brokers are better than Bankers? I wouldn't trust either. I never claimed one was better than the other, merely that Farage wasn't in banking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 As a matter of interest how far back are we going to claim being English? I know all my grandparents were English but a grandma once claimed to be related to either Marks or Spencer from the shop of the same name. I'm currently researching my ancestry; depending on what turns up I may have to deport myself tomorrow given some of the criteria on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 Polls are neck and neck now, just announced on BBC, so it must be true. So, if those handful of Out voters who say they can't be bothered to vote actually go and vote, then the out will win! The polls can't be accurate. No-one's asked me. Come to think of it, no-one's asked anyone I know either. Or anyone who is known by anyone I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 I'd like to do one of those global dna tests - some very interesting mixes of origin for some people who didn't expect to see what they got on a Facebook post I saw. Likewise, I think it would be a fascinating exercise. Our family names often suggest what our ancestry would be, but I rather suspect that many people would be very surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nial Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 Interesting input from the European Commission President, you'd almost think he wants us to leave.... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/22/eu-referendum-final-day-live/ "European Commission president warns there will be no further renegotiation with Brussels" Also http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36596060 "A German industry boss has said it would be "very, very foolish" if the EU imposes trade barriers on the UK in the event it votes to leave the EU" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nial Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 And http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-22/surprise-twist-eu-will-resume-turkey-eu-membership-talks-just-days-after-brexit-refe "In Surprise Twist, EU Will Resume Turkey EU Membership Talks Just Days After Brexit Referendum" Are they really trying to get us out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sian Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 I know all my grandparents were English but a grandma once claimed to be related to either Marks or Spencer from the shop of the same name. I'm currently researching my ancestry; depending on what turns up I may have to deport myself tomorrow given some of the criteria on here. Needed a bit of humour thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felly100 Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 I bought a cucumber today 454 grammes of the straightest piece of greenery you have ever seen. Got it out of the fridge earlier,it now weighs a pound and it's got a right bow in it Is this an omen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 I've just been reading some french articles in Le Monde and La Figaro, interesting reading and some very good points made. In short they said: a. Britain has massively influenced the EU and been a force for shaping it's institutions, largely directing it away from a federal superstate towards a trading block, and it is largely based on UK law etc. b. London is the undisputed European financial centre, especially for trading in the euro, and a Brexit would/could lead the ECB to reduce the ability for us to trade freely and efficiently. Leaving would hurt the UK and EU but it would enable Paris and other EU cities to take on much of the financial duties - there seems to be quite a lot of hope in France for this idea. c. An out vote could lead to other countries doing the same thing leading to a gradual collapse of the EU and a rise in nationalism that would threaten not only trade but re-open historical wounds, of which there are many, and could cause conflict. d. It also states that the EU is massively flawed, badly run and needs to change to survive, and reform is gong to have to happen ether way. I didn't fully appreciate the first two points before reading it and actually broadly agree with the last two, although I do doubt that true EU reform is likely or even possible, but it's food for thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkfanz Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 i just think the op is talkin bs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted June 23, 2016 Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 At least if we vote to leave we will be making our own destiny! In a nutshell my thoughts exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savhmr Posted June 23, 2016 Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 (edited) Who the heck is that jumped up little unelected pip-squeek paid for by our taxes to tell us what we will or won't have conceded to us? That is not his decision, and that tells us all we need to know about the EU. Cameron can go cap in hand but the negotiation with the 27 other member states even if they agree would be now blocked by the EC, which in effect is what Junckers, the little tin pot dictator, is saying. Hopefully we will be sticking two fingers up to the EU establishment and voting to leave today. One of the heads of German trade has let the cat out of the bag yesterday by saying the the EU and in particular Germany, should allow the UK to remain in the Free Trade Area if we Brexit. That's more like what the Leave campaign have been saying from the start. They need us as much as we need them and it really makes no sense whatsoever for them to make it more expensive to buy from them or for them to be more expensive to buy from us. They need us as permanent members of the Security Council and as valued allies in NATO. Rattle our cages out your cost is the message. Edited June 23, 2016 by Savhmr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted June 23, 2016 Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 Who the heck is that jumped up little unelected pip-squeek paid for by our taxes to tell us what we will or won't have conceded to us? That is not his decision, and that tells us all we need to know about the EU. Cameron can go cap in hand but the negotiation with the 27 other member states even if they agree would be now blocked by the EC, which in effect is what Junckers, the little tin pot dictator, is saying. Hopefully we will be sticking two fingers up to the EU establishment and voting to leave today. One of the heads of German trade has let the cat out of the bag yesterday by saying the the EU and in particular Germany, should allow the UK to remain in the Free Trade Area if we Brexit. That's more like what the Leave campaign have been saying from the start. They need us as much as we need them and it really makes no sense whatsoever for them to make it more expensive to buy from them or for them to be more expensive to buy from us. They need us as permanent members of the Security Council and as valued allies in NATO. Rattle our cages out your cost is the message.This exactly, the people of the UK need to show a bit of courage like our forefathers before us, its never easy to keep freedom and must almost always be fought for. 2 fingers to the eu from me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted June 23, 2016 Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 Can anyone name any of the EU Commissioners who are in effect having a large influence on the running and prosperity of this country at the moment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savhmr Posted June 23, 2016 Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 No, and that is the point. We don't understand what goes on behind closed doors by these £300K a year unelected commissioners, and neither do our MEPs really know. Dan Hannan MEP has urged us all to vote him out of a job today, as he is championing the Brexit cause. He knows more about it than most of us using social media, including forums, to debate it and I intend on following his advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yod dropper Posted June 23, 2016 Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 (edited) Can anyone name any of the EU Commissioners who are in effect having a large influence on the running and prosperity of this country at the moment? Ah, these would be the ones who propose legislation. None of them spring to mind, I can't remember which one I voted for. I don't think they're doing a good job and I'd like to vote them out but I'm not sure how. Oh, I remember, I didn't vote for any because we can't. If the EU applied to join itself it would not be allowed as it's not democratic enough and to think they talk about how Turkey must change if it wants to join. A vote for OUT is a vote for democracy - if you're into that sort of thing. Edited June 23, 2016 by yod dropper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted June 23, 2016 Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 Jean-Claude Juncker, European Commission President, has told reporters in Brussels "out is out". He said David Cameron had secured the "maximum" Brussels could give, adding there will be no further renegotiations. He said: "British voters have to know there will be no kind of any negotiation. We have concluded a deal with the prime minister. "He got the maximum he could receive, and we gave the maximum we could give, so there will be no kind of renegotiation." A red rag to a bull ! OUT ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjh Posted June 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 well well Farage bottled it and pulled out of a TV debate i think the leave side have fianly twigged evry time he shows up they loose votes, the man is a liability lets hope the humiliation which will follow a crushing defete for leave will finally get rid of this odious individual, still dont hold your breath he will resign and change his mind a day or so later and come back to pick up a nice wage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yod dropper Posted June 23, 2016 Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 (edited) well well Farage bottled it and pulled out of a TV debate i think the leave side have fianly twigged evry time he shows up they loose votes, the man is a liability lets hope the humiliation which will follow a crushing defete for leave will finally get rid of this odious individual, still dont hold your breath he will resign and change his mind a day or so later and come back to pick up a nice wage. Apart from when he turned up and spoke about immigration the Leave vote surged. Sorry to shatter your illusion. That's BBC analysis by the way, not my opinion. Edited June 23, 2016 by yod dropper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 23, 2016 Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 well well Farage bottled it and pulled out of a TV debate i think the leave side have fianly twigged evry time he shows up they loose votes, the man is a liability lets hope the humiliation which will follow a crushing defete for leave will finally get rid of this odious individual, still dont hold your breath he will resign and change his mind a day or so later and come back to pick up a nice wage. I thought he pulled out due to family circumstances. That's the report I heard anyhow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
achosenman Posted June 23, 2016 Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 Why bother turning up to be ambushed by the screaming haridans of remain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuji Shooter Posted June 23, 2016 Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 well well Farage bottled it and pulled out of a TV debate i think the leave side have fianly twigged evry time he shows up they loose votes, the man is a liability lets hope the humiliation which will follow a crushing defete for leave will finally get rid of this odious individual, still dont hold your breath he will resign and change his mind a day or so later and come back to pick up a nice wage. Something new from you for a change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted June 23, 2016 Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 I thought he pulled out due to family circumstances. That's the report I heard anyhow. True, but the "remainers" cannot resist putting a dishonest negative spin on it! It suits their agenda! Lol! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFC Posted June 23, 2016 Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 Notice BBC News today made a point of reporting that immigration is 'generally' the same over a ten year period today. Couldn't be trying to influence could they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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