Dekers Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 http://www.savagearms.com/launch/a17 This is a 17HMR SEMI (also available .22WMR) So what's the deal, I understood HMR semis were stopped on safety grounds almost as soon as they were introduced, what's changed? Yes, I know, it is hardly going to effect the UK, but the ammo does, and implications certainly suggest something! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 I've been told by Edgar Bros that the case-neck-split issue is resolved, seems they have a new technology that does anneal the brass neck now without igniting the primer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted June 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 I've been told by Edgar Bros that the case-neck-split issue is resolved, seems they have a new technology that does anneal the brass neck now without igniting the primer. Well, if that's the case I'm surprised they haven't been shouting from the rooftops. New one to me, so another question then, IS THE AMMO ISSUE RESOLVED, by who and how? Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 But if they did that, wouldn't that admit a problem publicly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted June 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 But if they did that, wouldn't that admit a problem publicly? They admitted the problem years ago! 2007 http://www.shootinguk.co.uk/answers/are-these-split-rifle-shells-safe-19680 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 I missed that...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 I could never understand this, but there again, am speaking as someone who has only worked with the heat treatment of aluminium alloys. For a quick smash and bash, the work was normalised giving about an hour or more in which to do a simple bend or two. Job done. For something more involved it was annealed first and then on completion normalised. Consequently, if the work is annealed prior to smashing and bashing, why was it not possible to do it after the case was initially formed and before the primer spun in? The only possible problem I can see with this is an extended time period between forming the case, inserting the primer and finally swaging the neck which I very much doubt is the case. Have often wondered if there is a link between technology and $$$$s. There again, I can appreciate that this might just reflect my total lack of knowledge of the factory processes. When I first got mine (bolt action) I did the usual and found that the Remingtons were by far the most accurate but in the first batch I had there were many split necks and although I never had a blockage. I separated out those affected and pooped them off only to find they patterned wider than my 12 bore. However, since then I have had no splits or accuracy problems with the hundreds that I've bought/used. Just my luck that they (from my RFD) are the most expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1steele Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 Dekers, check out the new .17hmr ammo on the cci website that has been specifically developed for use in the semi-auto. This has been out for quite a while now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted June 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 Dekers, check out the new .17hmr ammo on the cci website that has been specifically developed for use in the semi-auto. This has been out for quite a while now. Cheers! Anyone used this, Price? Can't help scratching my head a bit just the same, are historical ammo issues resolved here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rst1990 Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 ive sent off a variation for a 17hmr so I'm abit new to this ammo issue. Are we able to have semi auto in 17hmr? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 (edited) Cheers! Anyone used this, Price? Can't help scratching my head a bit just the same, are historical ammo issues resolved here? From what I was told, we should see a marked increase in quality. I hope so. ive sent off a variation for a 17hmr so I'm abit new to this ammo issue. Are we able to have semi auto in 17hmr? I love my HMR and have never had an issue with firing it or squib rounds. I think that if you have a split neck it is not such a big deal unless you then get a subsequent ingress of moisture or other contaminant through the split. Moisture is likely to then cause a squib round. Missing a squib round that sticks in the barrel and then pulling the trigger on another round has high potential to cause a very serious injury and damage. I store mine in centrally heated house so had no issues over 7 years and thousands of rounds. I will continue to use my HMR and enjoy shooting it. If you see any split necks suspect you may have been sold an old batch and contact your seller for a replacement. I'd also now ask "when did this batch come in to you from Edgar Bros" ? Edit to add: Not sure where all the different brands come through into the UK but the Hornady rounds, that I use, come from the importer - Edgar Bros. Edited June 29, 2016 by malkiserow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minibbb Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 (edited) ive sent off a variation for a 17hmr so I'm abit new to this ammo issue. Are we able to have semi auto in 17hmr? Not in the UK no Edited June 29, 2016 by minibbb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1steele Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 Cheers! Anyone used this, Price? Can't help scratching my head a bit just the same, are historical ammo issues resolved here? I have spoken with someone regarding this as its not on our shores yet (may never be) and also mentioned that they would have been better off sorting the existing ammo problems rather than spending on new stuff. I was told that there is a new process of annealing where it can be done after the case has been primed as the cases couldn't be annealed once primed with the old process. Not sure about how much of this is correct but the person I have spoken to wouldn't usually say anything unless he was pretty confident that he had all of his facts in order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rst1990 Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 From what I was told, we should see a marked increase in quality. I hope so. I love my HMR and have never had an issue with firing it or squib rounds. I think that if you have a split neck it is not such a big deal unless you then get a subsequent ingress of moisture or other contaminant through the split. Moisture is likely to then cause a squib round. Missing a squib round that sticks in the barrel and then pulling the trigger on another round has high potential to cause a very serious injury and damage. I store mine in centrally heated house so had no issues over 7 years and thousands of rounds. I will continue to use my HMR and enjoy shooting it. If you see any split necks suspect you may have been sold an old batch and contact your seller for a replacement. I'd also now ask "when did this batch come in to you from Edgar Bros" ? Thank you for your detailed reply, was worried for a minute lol My local rfd has said nothing about this issue Also 2 of my friends have had hmr for over 10 years and they haven't reported any negative feedback from the rounds. The hmr semi auto the op posted about has been out for over a year so I wonder if there is any negative feedback on forums, but I suppose seeings as they are not for sale here it's n/a. Thanks again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted June 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 http://www.cci-ammunition.com/products/detail.aspx?use=1&loadNo=949CC OK, this is the stuff, and Stateside it seems a very similar price to CCI 17g V-Max HMR. Only available in 200 brick, but so what? If there is something magical about this that has solved previous issues then we could do with the ammo, even if we cant have a HMR Semi itself! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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