leadbreakfast Posted July 2, 2016 Report Share Posted July 2, 2016 It would depend entirely on the agricultural tenancy agreement. I let several fields for grazing and do not confer any rights of occupancy in the agreement. These tenants can NOT give people permission to shoot. A keeper is an employee not an occupier and as such can only give permission, the same as with any other employee, if they have been given authority to do so. So as you don't give any rights of occupancy I take it you are at fault for any implication that may happen.Like soiling the road ect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted July 2, 2016 Report Share Posted July 2, 2016 So as you don't give any rights of occupancy I take it you are at fault for any implication that may happen. Like soiling the road ect With due respect, I rather think you need to understand what you are talking about before coming out with what you consider to be smart comments. Having farmed in excess of 750 acres for the past 50 years I feel somewhat qualified to make comments on agricultural law and occupancy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted July 2, 2016 Report Share Posted July 2, 2016 Charlie, why keep banging your head against the proverbial brick wall? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted July 2, 2016 Report Share Posted July 2, 2016 Charlie, why keep banging your head against the proverbial brick wall? As usual your advice is spot on. Thanks for saving me another thumping headache. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leadbreakfast Posted July 2, 2016 Report Share Posted July 2, 2016 Just found this on the basic website. The term occupier is not defined in the Firearms Acts, nor has a Court clarified its meaning. However, the Firearms Consultative Committee in their 5th Annual report recommended that the provisions of section 27 of the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 be adopted. This states that occupier in relation to any land, other than the foreshore, includes any person having any right of hunting, shooting, fishing or taking game or fish. In the absence of any firm definition for firearms purposes, it is suggested that each chief officer of police may wish to make use of this definition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1steele Posted July 3, 2016 Report Share Posted July 3, 2016 Just found this on the basic website. The term occupier is not defined in the Firearms Acts, nor has a Court clarified its meaning. However, the Firearms Consultative Committee in their 5th Annual report recommended that the provisions of section 27 of the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 be adopted. This states that occupier in relation to any land, other than the foreshore, includes any person having any right of hunting, shooting, fishing or taking game or fish. In the absence of any firm definition for firearms purposes, it is suggested that each chief officer of police may wish to make use of this definition. Huge difference between having shooting rights as opposed to shooting permission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadkill Posted July 3, 2016 Report Share Posted July 3, 2016 We're the same as charlie, all of the land is contracted out to a farmer (1000 acres) he is unable to shoot or give anyone permission to shoot on the estate same as the farmer who rents the grass parks for his sheep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted July 3, 2016 Report Share Posted July 3, 2016 It all gets a rather complicated doesn't it, recently I was asked to deal with some fallow on a small holding coming through a hedge on to the 8 or nine acres of the property owner and eating all his roses. Brilliant and just down the road, a group of about six or seven deer in every evening and I was allowed to keep all the venison. My old man would say if something is to good to be true it usually is, it turned out the previous owner to the property bought some extra ground off the local farmer but didn't secure the sporting rights. Luckily I had approached the neighbouring farmer to let him know I was shooting the small holding just in case a shot deer made it back through the hedge to his property. Even though I was given permission to shoot on land owned by the small holder ( I have an open license on all calibres ) it was not legal as he didn't have the sporting rights over his own land and his neighbour could enter his land at any time to shoot the deer ( which he obviously wasn't bothering to do very often ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wascal Posted July 3, 2016 Report Share Posted July 3, 2016 It would depend entirely on the agricultural tenancy agreement. I let several fields for grazing and do not confer any rights of occupancy in the agreement. These tenants can NOT give people permission to shoot. Although I am only renting out a few acres of grazing , I specifically retained the shooting rights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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