VULTURE Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 Hi. Reading the posts lower down got me thinking, if somebody who's a good friend who's a regular visitor to your home gets their SGC revoked can that go against a renewal or grant? Or get you on the police radar? Cheers. Vulture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningB525 Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 It depends what for. If they are armed robbers, probably. If they are accused of threatening an ex, probably not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exudate Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 Only your FEO could answer that, but a) they'd have to be aware of your acquaintance with that person in the first place and b) you shouldn't allow a non-SGC holder access to your keys, in any case. Given these 2 factors, I'd assume (and you know what they say about assumption) that you'd probably be ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 How would the police know he's a regular visitor or that you even know him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 If the person was under surveillance and a regular visitor to your property then yes, I'd suspect it would be 'taken into consideration' at renewal time. However, to be under police surveillance they've got to really be up to no good ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 See this extract from the Firearms Procedural Good Practice Guide.............. • Consider character and third parties (family, friends, associates, other residents) and where appropriate conduct PNC/CRO and criminal intelligence checks. Considerable care must be taken when conducting these checks as there is likely to be an infringement of Article 8 of ECHR. The Family, Friends and Associates of the individual applying have a right to respect for their privacy and family life and Firearms Control legislation makes no provision for this right in respect of these persons to be interfered with. Any such interference must be shown to be necessary in the interests of public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, or the protection of the rights and freedoms of others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 A friend of mine under Durham constabulary was warned that his sons (whom also has SGC) affiliation with the friend of a known 'wrong un' could jeopardise his and his sons SGC's come renewal. So that is third time removed for my mate, but it's also Durham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFC Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 My one time shooting buddy, and I was his foreman at one time, decided for reasons best known to him that he wanted to stick **** up his nose. He had the sense to sell his guns and surrendered his SGC voluntarily but my FEO rang me up and made it clear to me that if I associated with him at all then my own FAC/SGC could be at risk. He turned into a twonk when he started doing that so I was happy to reassure my FEO that he certainly wouldn't have access to my guns either. Shame but there we are, his choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 I got a visit from Durham one afternoon, asking if my son (also holds FAC/SGC) was associating with ***********,Josh was at school so I couldn't answer the question.So they said they would be back later,I rang BASC immediately for advise and was advised that licences can be revoked under section something or other & to call them back if this happens. Police came back at 6.30pm with 3 gun slips in their possession obviously to take my guns and to revoke not just Joshua's licences,but mine also.They interviewed both myself and Josh,Josh stated that he didn't hang about with ********,and that he is a friend of his friend & they left satisfied.However a year later Josh did start hanging about with undesirables and I revoked his licence and surrendered them as his behaviour at the time made me question his suitability to hold both FAC/SGC. I later thought about retireing from shooting but couldn't make a decision.However that decision was quickly made when Josh starting to show signs of aggression towards myself and his younger brother.I surrendered my licences in November 2015 as I felt that 'I could be compromised'.The police however where praiseful that I took the actions I did & even said "why not see if you can keep your guns at the farm".Well that's not going to work,plus I'd been getting fed up with shooting for a while.I hope that answers your question but it may depend on your force area,BASC should be anyone's first port of call if this happens to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 Has your son settled down now or still on a wayward path? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 Has your son settled down now or still on a wayward path? He got himself in some real bother mate,which was a bit of a bad/good thing if that makes sense.Bad thing in a way i dont realy want to get into as it upsets me so much.But good in the sense that it made he realize what he has turned his back on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted July 2, 2016 Report Share Posted July 2, 2016 He got himself in some real bother mate,which was a bit of a bad/good thing if that makes sense.Bad thing in a way i dont realy want to get into as it upsets me so much.But good in the sense that it made he realize what he has turned his back on. Well fingers crossed he see's the error of his ways and turns it around, Only he can make that decision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted July 2, 2016 Report Share Posted July 2, 2016 A friend of mine under Durham constabulary was warned that his sons (whom also has SGC) affiliation with the friend of a known 'wrong un' could jeopardise his and his sons SGC's come renewal. So that is third time removed for my mate, but it's also Durham. Durham are anal at times, last renewal for my FAC they wanted to know all family members, NI numbers, daughters boyfriends + their addresses, who visited the house on a regular basis, who I shot with & hung around with.....since the balls up (their end) over the Atherton Affair every cert holder is under the spotlight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsbob Posted July 4, 2016 Report Share Posted July 4, 2016 (edited) Durham are anal at times, last renewal for my FAC they wanted to know all family members, NI numbers, daughters boyfriends + their addresses, who visited the house on a regular basis, who I shot with & hung around with.....since the balls up (their end) over the Atherton Affair every cert holder is under the spotlight. I trust you said you did not currently have that information to hand and should you happen across such information you would need to seek proper legal advice regarding passing such information over as it may possibly breach various privacy laws. Edited July 4, 2016 by sportsbob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted July 4, 2016 Report Share Posted July 4, 2016 I trust you said you did not currently have that information to hand and should you happen across such information you would need to seek proper legal advice regarding passing such information over as it may possibly breach various privacy laws. They never got it, he was told that after wanting to know who lived in the house. This is Durham FLO, well known by BASC, SACS, etc for been awkward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboysparky Posted July 4, 2016 Report Share Posted July 4, 2016 He got himself in some real bother mate,which was a bit of a bad/good thing if that makes sense.Bad thing in a way i dont realy want to get into as it upsets me so much.But good in the sense that it made he realize what he has turned his back on. In all honesty if he is going to get in bother, its much better at a young age rather than when he is much older. Hope he is back on the right path now, time to sign him up to the military maybe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perazzishot Posted July 4, 2016 Report Share Posted July 4, 2016 I was warned by my FEO of who I followed on Facebook and advised to remove 1 particular person from my FB friends! Was warned about posting pictures of guns on FB and also asked if I still spoke to certain person! They told me they have a duty of care to check applicants social media and other internet followings and participations. They also if required have far more access than you would ever know to your browsing history! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbietherimmer Posted July 4, 2016 Report Share Posted July 4, 2016 I was warned by my FEO of who I followed on Facebook and advised to remove 1 particular person from my FB friends! Was warned about posting pictures of guns on FB and also asked if I still spoke to certain person! They told me they have a duty of care to check applicants social media and other internet followings and participations. They also if required have far more access than you would ever know to your browsing history! Has anyone been refused their cert or had it revoked for too much ******* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted July 4, 2016 Report Share Posted July 4, 2016 (edited) Has anyone been refused their cert or had it revoked for too much ******* Your name PW name,is it connected to your browsing history lol ? Edited July 4, 2016 by Davyo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboysparky Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 (edited) I was warned by my FEO of who I followed on Facebook and advised to remove 1 particular person from my FB friends! Was warned about posting pictures of guns on FB and also asked if I still spoke to certain person! They told me they have a duty of care to check applicants social media and other internet followings and participations. They also if required have far more access than you would ever know to your browsing history! Internet Browsing history can be viewed in some circumstances BUT that wouldn't be done for standard SGC and FAC as it requires a fairly high level of authorisation. However open source research such as social media would because its free and no intrusive. Sensible personal safety precautions would stop most open source snooping. Edited July 5, 2016 by Delboysparky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 Out of interest, I am aware of someone who legally challenged a revocation and won the grant of an FAC. The cost of it all was said to be eye watering? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 (edited) It can be very expensive. Only reason we haven't challenged Durham on their continual refusal to grant my son an SGC or FAC. BASC wouldn't get involved saying it was because the problem existed before he joined, in fact Durham agreed the original "problem" didn't exist and just moved the goal posts yet again to something totally new and completely different. Edited July 7, 2016 by phaedra1106 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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