Essex Keeper Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 Right the lad that shoots rabbits on the farm his fac is going to run out 8th of next month And being with essex means a temp certificate So no exp rounds My questions is if he is with me lamping can I let him use my ammo ? In his gun I believe the answer will be no ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipdog Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 Im not a firearms law expert but I believe the answer is yes he can. After all if he was a not FAC owner you could let him use your rifle and ammunition as long as he is under your close supervision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 (edited) Why dont he get some in before it runs out how many will he be needing by the time he gets granted his renewell Edited July 5, 2016 by Rim Fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipdog Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 I believe transferring and holding expanding ammunition onto a temporary certificate is not allow. A temporary certificate can only be issued for the firearms alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 Im not a firearms law expert but I believe the answer is yes he can. After all if he was a not FAC owner you could let him use your rifle and ammunition as long as he is under your close supervision. Also I dont beleive that is true. I did not think others could use your rifle if they did not have a cert. When I went for variation for CF i was told it would have to be a course or mentor through a club and to use club rifles,not justy mates rifle as he would be breaking law allowing me to use his rifle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 My understanding is: Section 7 Keep guns only - not for use No expanding ammo to keep or use. I spoke to my local force about this and they said they never take any action against any of their license holders who are out shooting in our area even with expanding ammo - BUT ONLY IF - the license holder applied in good time for their renewal and the delay was solely down to the delays from the firearms licensing department. However, the law states differently so you do it at your own risk, and if you go to shoot in another area you are on a seriously sticky wicket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 (edited) Also I dont beleive that is true. I did not think others could use your rifle if they did not have a cert. When I went for variation for CF i was told it would have to be a course or mentor through a club and to use club rifles,not justy mates rifle as he would be breaking law allowing me to use his rifle Section 16 or 16.1 (may be wrong which section lol might of even changed as haven't read it since its update in April 2016)a none licence holder can use (within earshot) if accompanied by a fac holder who is servant of the land. Edited July 6, 2016 by Davyo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essex Keeper Posted July 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 Essex do need to pull up,there socks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old melv Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 When I applied for my first firearms certificate the feo asked about experience and I told him I had used my mates rifle under his supervision. Good he said because of this previous experience no problem getting a centerline rifle from the start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 Section 16 or 16.1 (may be wrong which section lol might of even changed as haven't read it since its update in April 2016)a none licence holder can use (within earshot) if accompanied by a fac holder who is servant of the land. Cheers for that... I was always under impression it was not allowed.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savhmr Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 Cheers for that... I was always under impression it was not allowed.. Here's the relevant section: A person who does not hold a firearm certificate may borrow a rifle (the ‘estate rifle’) from the occupier of private land and use it on that land in the presence of the occupier or the occupier’s servant. “Servant” would be taken to include a stalker, gamekeeper or ghillie employed by the occupier. · The borrower must be aged 17 years or older. If the borrower is 17 years old, then the lender must be aged 18 years or over. · The rifle may only be used on the occupier’s land. · The occupier’s servant, if accompanying the borrower, must hold a firearm certificate for the estate rifle. · All conditions on the lender’s firearm certificate must be complied with. Relevant Act(s): Section 16 (1) Firearms Amendment Act 1988 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 Right the lad that shoots rabbits on the farm his fac is going to run out 8th of next month And being with essex means a temp certificate So no exp rounds My questions is if he is with me lamping can I let him use my ammo ? In his gun I believe the answer will be no ? If you are an occupier he can use your rifle and ammo. Can you give him expanding ammo to use in his rifle. No, as he cannot possess expanding ammo on a temp cert. The estate rifle exemption does not apply in this situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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