roadkill Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 What is the law on driving to your permission with firearms in the car, Are they ok to have bolts in and magazines in with rounds in the mag but none in the chamber? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spandit Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 No. Take them out - doesn't take a minute to reassemble them so why take the risk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 Thats one step closer to becoming complacent,as above takes seconds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboysparky Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 Thats one step closer to becoming complacent,as above takes seconds. But he was asking on legality and I believe that there is nothing in legislation to say the bolt must be removed. But agree with you, why take a risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 Delboy is right, legally even having bolt out and bullets in pocket ur gun is still classed as 'loaded', so will make no odds legally I often travel to my gound with bolts in but no mags, it means u have definately got the right bolt for the right rifle as i store them seperately, but travel home with bolts/mags removed With a 22 semi u can't remove the bolt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 Sorry didn't mean it like that, in my opinion it's just bad practise,when I used to travel the bolt wasn't even kept with the rifle.It was always on my person,just in case me & the rifle became seperated for example filling up with fuel on the way to my perm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadkill Posted July 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 these are just questions, this time last year i was a part time shooter ( once in a blue moon) now I'm running a shoot but still very much a novice, so these are just the unknown i have had in my head from day one and information is hard to get, so all i really want is best practice. Its no hardship putting in bolts and mags at permission but i wondered what the actual law is on it jamie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboysparky Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 these are just questions, this time last year i was a part time shooter ( once in a blue moon) now I'm running a shoot but still very much a novice, so these are just the unknown i have had in my head from day one and information is hard to get, so all i really want is best practice. Its no hardship putting in bolts and mags at permission but i wondered what the actual law is on it jamie Not sure what other peoples experience are of Firearms licensing teams are but I have always found them to be more than happy to answer questions regarding firearms ownership, transport etc. I often call them as part of my work and have a few contacts so if you have any questions I would be more than happy to ask them for you. Better to ask than fall foul in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 I used to carry them seperately but once turned up with wrong bolt, school boy error just lifted the wrong bolt not really looking/thinking thats why i now put the bolt in. But u also can never be to safe just got to make sure ur happy with the way u do it and not to get too complaceant further down the line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldweld Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 Bolts in is not a problem. However loaded mags either in the rifle or not class the Gun as Loaded ! Do not load rounds int a mag untill you are on your permission Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadkill Posted July 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 so bolt is fine, mags put separate in the glove box but ok to have ammo in ready Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldweld Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 No !!!!!! Ammo in mag counts as a loaded rifle ! It doe's not matter where you put the mag, if its got rounds in the mag Your rifle is loaded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 No !!!!!! Ammo in mag counts as a loaded rifle ! It doe's not matter where you put the mag, if its got rounds in the mag Your rifle is loaded As said. The same applies to air rifles. Those spare magazines for your S410 / HW110 that you carry in the car fully loaded are breaking the law, surprising as it may seem, even if not fitted to the gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboysparky Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 No !!!!!! Ammo in mag counts as a loaded rifle ! It doe's not matter where you put the mag, if its got rounds in the mag Your rifle is loaded Is this detailed anywhere in the Home Office guidance or somewhere similar? I only ask as the legislation makes no distinction in relation to loaded mags that I can see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadkill Posted July 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 As said. The same applies to air rifles. Those spare magazines for your S410 / HW110 that you carry in the car fully loaded are breaking the law, surprising as it may seem, even if not fitted to the gun. wow that seems a bit ott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboysparky Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 (edited) wow that seems a bit ott I can't find that in the Firearms Act, and I don't believe that a loaded mag constitutes a loaded weapon looking at the definitions. A firearm is taken as a separate item than a mag. Hopefully someone will come along and clarify. Edited July 5, 2016 by Delboysparky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 (edited) The law is slightly different with airguns, but with a FAC its calssed as loaded even if bullets are lose in ur pocket or in there box in glove compartment. Think loaded is if bullets are in ur possesion and its irrelevant wether in rifle/breech or mag or loose But even with an air rifle ur still not breaking the law as long u have a resonable excuse as coming going to ur shooting, it is legal to travel to/from ur ground with 1 up spout VERY DANGEROUS THOU and not advising it but legally ok. I wouldn't worry to much if its safe is the main thing. If going to from ur ground u have reasonble excuse to have both ur rifle and ammo so legally ur covered and work out wot u find to be the safest way Also if ur in any doubt on legal stuff i'd give basc a phone if ur a member, some very good advice given on here but most won't stand up in court if u have misread it or it was wrong/bad advice Edited July 5, 2016 by scotslad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spandit Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 If that is the case then carrying loaded magazines shouldn't make a difference but not really sensible to leave them in the gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 Well. This started off as a sensible question looking for a simple answer and having read the advice it looks to me like no one has a definitive position as to what the law is? Am I wrong or is the law not clear? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboysparky Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 (edited) Well. This started off as a sensible question looking for a simple answer and having read the advice it looks to me like no one has a definitive position as to what the law is? Am I wrong or is the law not clear? http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1968/27 Unless its specifically specified on your FAC (in which case you would be guilty of Non-compliance with condition of firearm certificate contrary to Section 1(2)) then I can't see an offence nor can I see it written in legislation that a loaded mag means a loaded firearm. A firearm is specified as a lethal barrelled weapon, and makes no mention of mag. I believe this is advice that has probably been embedded in folklore and now a 'pseudo-Law'. But as always healthy debate is always welcome and I am more than happy to be corrected if evidence of this specific law can be produced. Worth noting I don't advocate poor gun safety, I am talking about the specifics of law. . Edited July 5, 2016 by Delboysparky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 Bolts in is not a problem. However loaded mags either in the rifle or not class the Gun as Loaded ! Do not load rounds int a mag untill you are on your permission +1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 This includes air gun magazines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 with a FAC its calssed as loaded even if bullets are lose in ur pocket or in there box in glove compartment. Think loaded is if bullets are in ur possesion and its irrelevant wether in rifle/breech or mag or loose it is legal to travel to/from ur ground with 1 up spout VERY DANGEROUS THOU and not advising it but legally ok. there is a load of nonsense in that post. Bolts in is OK, BUT >> not ammo even in a mag. It is classed as having a loaded weapon in a public place even if it is in the boot of your car. Tickets state >> Authorized to posses. X ammo. How do you get your ammo to the field if it isn't in your motor or your pocket? do you get your RFD to accompany you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboysparky Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 This includes air gun magazines Where does it say this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 there is a load of nonsense in that post. Bolts in is OK, BUT >> not ammo even in a mag. It is classed as having a loaded weapon in a public place even if it is in the boot of your car. Tickets state >> Authorized to posses. X ammo. How do you get your ammo to the field if it isn't in your motor or your pocket? do you get your RFD to accompany you? Sorry wot is the nonesense? Legally if u have gun and ammo at same time u are in charge of a 'legally' loaded weapon no matter where the bullets are, that is not a problem as long as u have a good reason to posses, so either traveling to ur ground or to a gunshop/smith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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