HDAV Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 (edited) Got abit of a drain issue at the house we bought last year, seems the branch where we join the main drain isn't very good. It looks like some of the benching has been washed away over the years and perhaps wasn't a great job when new. Is this something that I/local builder can do or is it a water board specialist contractor? Hoping this explains why the garden is so wet Edited July 24, 2016 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 If there is a drain problem first contact your local authority environmental services dept....to ascertain who is responsible! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted July 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 I have a feeling it will be us but will check the paperwork from the sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seph234 Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 Is it a rain water drain or sewage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted July 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 Sewage I hope as down stairs WC goes into it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet1747 Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 (edited) Don't think it has washed away , I think it was just to short to begin with , buy a rubber joint and see if you can acquire a few inch of soil pipe If you was any closer mate I have a 6 m piece left from when I changed my clay to plastic when fitting new septic tank http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=clay+pipe+plumbing&client=safari&hl=en-gb&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjS6L_1tYzOAhVkKsAKHZLaAncQ_AUICigC&biw=1024&bih=672#imgrc=GFBaLwkZUgkYbM%3A Edited July 24, 2016 by bullet1747 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 you can bench that yourself in ten minutes. Use rapid set cement in the mortar min of a 4 and 1 mix as it's below ground. form the flow in the benching, a slight curve in the direction of flow. knock up the mortar in a bucket and get it in fairly quick. rapid sets quicker than my ex asks for child maintenance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted July 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 (edited) you can bench that yourself in ten minutes. Use rapid set cement in the mortar min of a 4 and 1 mix as it's below ground. form the flow in the benching, a slight curve in the direction of flow. knock up the mortar in a bucket and get it in fairly quick. rapid sets quicker than my ex asks for child maintenanceI was thinking the same, read that benching granola this mortar, grand? was stone dust 7:2 (dust and cement) or 6:1:2 with sand to make it erm something??? Rapid set available in small packs? I'd only need a small amount (less than half a bucket) mixed I recon as the ground is wet and there is sitting water in the gap do I need to dry it out first? How long to cure before normal service can resume? Edited July 24, 2016 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted July 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 (edited) Don't think it has washed away , I think it was just to short to begin with , buy a rubber joint and see if you can acquire a few inch of soil pipe If you was any closer mate I have a 6 m piece left from when I changed my clay to plastic when fitting new septic tank http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=clay+pipe+plumbing&client=safari&hl=en-gb&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjS6L_1tYzOAhVkKsAKHZLaAncQ_AUICigC&biw=1024&bih=672#imgrc=GFBaLwkZUgkYbM%3A thanks I would have to knock the concrete benching about to get a boot on and knowing my luck would crack the pipe and end up digging up the whole garden to replace. I had a feel around in the gap and haven't found any broken bits of pipe I might push a rod up stream and see how far it goes but the drains are what I expected as the bathroom and kitchen water (sink bath etc) don't seem to come through is line??? Need to check up stairs wc but can't run round quick enough lol! This any good to fill the gap? http://www.wickes.co.uk/Blue-Circle-Quick-Repair-Concrete-2-5kg/p/117654?CAWELAID=120135120001181912&CAGPSPN=pla&CAAGID=26712496372&CATCI=aud-162417460132:pla-77900740598&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping%20-%20Cement%20&%20Aggregates&tmcampid=&tmad=c&tmplaceref=K55vJ7fz&utm_content=sK55vJ7fz%7Cpcid%7C73770331732%7Cpkw%7C%7Cpmt%7C%7C Edited July 24, 2016 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crichbish Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 As digger says, just needs rapid set in the void area between lateral pipe and main pipe. If the main line only serves your property then its your responsibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banger123 Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 That's just poor installation, dry the area and use some fast set mortar to fill it and make a nice smooth seamless joint to the straight run.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted July 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 Main line serves next door too I think they are first in the line Would http://www.wickes.co.uk/Blue-Circle-Quick-Repair-Concrete-2-5kg/p/117654?CAWELAID=120135120001181912&CAGPSPN=pla&CAAGID=26712496372&CATCI=aud-162417460132:pla-77900740598&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping%20-%20Cement%20&%20Aggregates&tmcampid=&tmad=c&tmplaceref=K55vJ7fz&utm_content=sK55vJ7fz%7Cpcid%7C73770331732%7Cpkw%7C%7Cpmt%7C%7C be better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 (edited) whip that broken bit out...tidy up...wack a rag up the other pipe to stop the poo-poos coming down the line ..and chuck yer mortar in and smooth off.............the motar should be good to go in 20 mins......then pull the rag out and left "the trains comes out of the tunnell" Edited July 24, 2016 by ditchman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted July 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 whip that broken bit out...tidy up...wack a rag up the other pipe to stop the poo-poos coming down the line ..and chuck yer mortar in and smooth off.............the motar should be good to go in 20 mins......then pull the rag out and left "the trains comes out of the tunnell" What broken bit? Might have to warn next door...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuffy Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 you can bench that yourself in ten minutes. Use rapid set cement in the mortar min of a 4 and 1 mix as it's below ground. form the flow in the benching, a slight curve in the direction of flow. knock up the mortar in a bucket and get it in fairly quick. rapid sets quicker than my ex asks for child maintenance That's the way to do it . Looks like it's been repaired before , there should be a slipper on the end of that bit of pipe . Or as previously said , poor work in the first place . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 (edited) I'm No expert but I seem to remember being told that the responsibility for drains has been transferred to the water authorities in the area. All you are now responsible for is the bit from the bog to the outside. Here is a link to a water authority. I expect that they are all controlled by the same legislation. So probably no need for you to get involved with repairing sewer manholes. Failing that go household insurance. That's what you have insurance for. http://www.thameswater.co.uk/help-and-advice/8654.htm Edited July 24, 2016 by fortune Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 pipe will be usable within 30 mins if you use rapid and sand as opposed to the pre mixed tub. I think b and q do smaller bags of it. If the branch is from your property then there should be no need to bung it unless you have a practical joker in the house. Have a walk around your house, any bits of pointing need doing ? slabs or brickwork, or holes in either ? you will soon use up the mix once you spit any. As said, knock it up in a bucket at 4/1, add water to the mix until it sticks on the trowel. As it's going to need working add a capful of washing up liquid to the water. no need to remove the water the mortar will pus it out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet1747 Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 What broken bit? Might have to warn next door...... Main half flow pipe has a crack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 the trick is ......smooth curves...no angles for poo to catch.......just to finish it up ..sprinkle a bit of cement on it and smooth it off (float it off) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polester Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 The channel has a crack in it right through bout 6" down. I wouldn't do it on a customers house but if it was mine I would use 4" grinder to cut5mm or so into the crack then would fill and smooth some bolt resin in it http://www.ironmongerydirect.co.uk/products/screws_and_fixings/chemical_fixings/11822/fischer_300_styrene_free_polyester_resin/773341?vat=1&shopping=true&gclid=CKnVjdPbjM4CFQs6GwodfpwIDw&gclsrc=aw.ds so long as you smooth it off so toilet roll wont catch it'll be ok. Otherwise it means knocking the channel out and re-placing with a new bit.Then re-point around the out flow pipe with rapid set cement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted July 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 That's the way to do it . Looks like it's been repaired before , there should be a slipper on the end of that bit of pipe . Or as previously said , poor work in the first place . What's a slipper? I have some cracks in render would same mix be suitable to fill? This any good? http://www.screwfix.com/p/cementone-waterproof-cement-grey-10kg/58196 I wasn't to worried about the crack but if it is transferred then they should do it all? Should add the manhole is in my back garden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuffy Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 (edited) Could have been fixed by now , everyone's spent long enough talking about it !! Edited to add , a slipper is the open bit with a bend in it this aims the trains down the tunnel . Yours is missing but shouldn't be a problem if you just fill that hole and smooth every thing out . Edited July 24, 2016 by cuffy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 I work for my local water company. Get in touch with customer services of your local company. You'll probably find they will sort it all for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 Read my post #16. Everyone seems to have gone into bodge up the bog pipe mode. If it is the responsibility of the local water authority, get on the phone to them. If not then contact your house insurance company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 repairs suggested are not bodges. Why claim on insurance and increase premiums for the sake of an effective ten minute repair ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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