jam1e Posted November 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2016 I could of done better with a dremel! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan1three Posted November 18, 2016 Report Share Posted November 18, 2016 Hopefully these pics will come out ok. They're of spartan1 three's pics taken from his defective .17 WSM Rifle. Tunnel. Location of test. .308 Win groups, shows he can shoot straight! x2 terrible .17 WSM groups! A poor looking crown. The .17 WSM crown that looks terrible to me!! Sterling job on the pics jam1e mate, thankyou for getting them out there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan1three Posted November 18, 2016 Report Share Posted November 18, 2016 sorry doubled the pics on quote my bad boys, but ye absolute garbage, as said words just dont cut it the pics do, new variation is in for .17wsm again as clearly gunsmith issue not the fault of the round, thanks for your responses, not to chuffed that neither savage or edgars responded to tweets, i also had a man stood next to edgars gunsmith senior the other day when they were down here filming and emailed pics, as yet no response, still got the 22lr 223 and a bitching 308, onwards and upwards boys or is it smile and wave, cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1e Posted November 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2016 No problems, it wasn't that difficult. Cheers Jamie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted November 18, 2016 Report Share Posted November 18, 2016 Good post this Jamie. The pics help a lot to understand the issue. Thx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1e Posted November 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2016 (edited) Good post this Jamie. The pics help a lot to understand the issue. Thx No probs oowee. Edited November 19, 2016 by jam1e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1e Posted November 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2016 (edited) A question for the "smiths" out there... Reference the picture below. Discounting the very poor muzzle finish. In the rifling i can see cross section lines. Is that a natural process made by rifling a barrel, or if this also evidence of poor rifling? Thanks. Jamie Edited November 19, 2016 by jam1e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted November 19, 2016 Report Share Posted November 19, 2016 Not being a 'smith', other than by name, I haven't a clue but if you gave the barrel a soak with some copper solvent and then a good scrub with a PB brush and then had another look at least you'd know whether it was not, shall we say, permanent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1e Posted November 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2016 Hi Phil, Thanks for the imput, but it's not my rifle, it's a picture of one of the bad rifles spartan ended up with. I've tried to look inside mine, but just don't have a camera good enough to to check. Believe me, i've tried, i just don't have the equipment.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted November 19, 2016 Report Share Posted November 19, 2016 Hi Phil, Thanks for the imput, but it's not my rifle, it's a picture of one of the bad rifles spartan ended up with. I've tried to look inside mine, but just don't have a camera good enough to to check. Believe me, i've tried, i just don't have the equipment.... Dooh, idiot! Of course it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted November 19, 2016 Report Share Posted November 19, 2016 From what I can make of the Crown, I've seen a tin of baked beanz with a better finish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan1three Posted November 19, 2016 Report Share Posted November 19, 2016 Here is a pic of a Button rifling machine in the Savage factory from my visit there in 2011, take a look at the link for 45+ more........ well I would if I could post a link :-( as you can see boys if its not kept in check and monitored for ware it can vibrate hence the chatter, not usually in the middle unless its really screwed but first and last inches are the danger areas typical mass production with very little batch quality control, the yank forums will scare you to death this sort of **** is common place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan1three Posted November 19, 2016 Report Share Posted November 19, 2016 Not being a 'smith', other than by name, I haven't a clue but if you gave the barrel a soak with some copper solvent and then a good scrub with a PB brush and then had another look at least you'd know whether it was not, shall we say, permanent. the chatter is in the steel set there during manufacter hence taring the copper bud, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted November 19, 2016 Report Share Posted November 19, 2016 From what we've been told and shown and also from what I've picked up elsewhere, it's looking very much as though the rifle in the video clip I posted had been 'blueprinted'. On the face of it, this is a potential 150 (plus some, perhaps) fox rifle which means it'll do for 90% or so of the foxes shot in the UK. However, unlike a CF which has some spare grunt to offset a less than perfect shot placement, the WSM is very much reliant on accuracy. Well, that puts the Savage out of the lineup. The Ruger, with its 5lb 7oz pull is, apparently even worse, with the trigger getting the blame and looks like being over £1000 and probably well over by the time it washes up ashore here. This just leaves the CZ!!! Anschutz, where are you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted November 19, 2016 Report Share Posted November 19, 2016 For me I've all but given up on the 17rf rifles. If it's not the ammo it's the manufacturing process of the rifles, both are obviously lacking QC. Unfortunate, but I see them now as inaccurate and incapable. The guy in the clip twitching in his pants because he was lucky enough to put 3 shots into 3/4 of an inch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted November 19, 2016 Report Share Posted November 19, 2016 After reading this thread and seeing the photos I thought I would have a look at my rifles. 308 sako lovely rifling and crown (as you would expect) 22 anschutz again all looks good 243 cz 550 spot on and even the cheapest 22 cz455 had no sign of any chattering or burrs even looked at my 357 ruger service six and and 32 h&r (after cleaning the gunk out) and no marks on then ether the only one that didn't look 100% was the rossi 357 and that was nowhere near as bad as the photos! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan1three Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 From what we've been told and shown and also from what I've picked up elsewhere, it's looking very much as though the rifle in the video clip I posted had been 'blueprinted'. On the face of it, this is a potential 150 (plus some, perhaps) fox rifle which means it'll do for 90% or so of the foxes shot in the UK. However, unlike a CF which has some spare grunt to offset a less than perfect shot placement, the WSM is very much reliant on accuracy. Well, that puts the Savage out of the lineup. The Ruger, with its 5lb 7oz pull is, apparently even worse, with the trigger getting the blame and looks like being over £1000 and probably well over by the time it washes up ashore here. This just leaves the CZ!!! Anschutz, where are you? good points wymberley, looks like i will be sticking with the 223 and the Vmax for the naughty varmints, ruger noted, roll on cz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweedledee Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 the ruger trigger is easy sorted....I have one in 17 hornet and love it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 the ruger trigger is easy sorted....I have one in 17 hornet and love it Yep, it seems that there's already a roaring trade in WSM replacement units. I just don't see why when one has to pay something north of £1000, they couldn't get it right to start with. Having said that, is there not some legislation about this in the States? Fortunately, my No 1 in 22 Hornet is acceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1e Posted November 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2016 From what I can make of the Crown, I've seen a tin of baked beanz with a better finish. Apologies for being dim, but what are we looking at ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted November 26, 2016 Report Share Posted November 26, 2016 Just had a very quick Google. I was going to take a pic of one of mine, but this will do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reggiegun Posted November 26, 2016 Report Share Posted November 26, 2016 I think the one the op posted was supposed to be a target crown like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1e Posted December 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2016 Too late ;-/ With hindsight i must admit, i would have bought a .17 Hornet, and a Boyds stock..... Reloading is a hobby in itself for me.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 Does the safety catch really prevent the gun from cocking in the B Mag I.e. If you cycle and load the gun with the safety applied and then move it to 'fire', does the gun fire or not? I hear there is a specific design fault in this respect. Have you been watching this:? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted December 29, 2016 Report Share Posted December 29, 2016 Three shots is not a group either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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