rimfire4969 Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 Spot on scotslad Agreed, if you two think the same the advice can't be far wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinois Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 If you look at canine psychology then consoling or reassurance in scary circumstances is taken by the dog as reinforcement. Whatever you do let the dog see amd hear you being indifferent to what is going on. Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 To watch from a distance on a lead. Not work. Not quite as much of an obvious question as "Should I take him on a shoot" with an inference to working him. It doubtful if ur dog will really get much/any benefit from it, but to be fair watching at a distance on a lead is not likely to do any harm either. Possibly as i said earlier going into a nearby field and doing some fairly basic recall/stop and easy retrieves may be of some benefit, but if the dog is not quite ready more chance of it being distracted and misbehaving so even ur basic training is not helping. I'd just carry on with ur training, if ur dog is 9 months old now its only going to be 13ish months come Feb, which is still very young to be working. If ur really itching for the next step mibee try and hire a rabbit pen or offer to dog in some pheasants for a keeper BUT keep it very controlled and not too many birds and don't let the dog chase, but it may still be yong for that too Personally i'd probably wait till next season before taking it along at all, (althou on a shoot i'm working a few dogs so can't spend the time with a dog not quite ready) possibly doing wot u mention later on in season may help. My young lab was 2 1/2 before i took him for the 1st time, was almost ready the previous season but i had enough dogs so no point in rushing it and glad i held him back. But in reality i'd be not expecting any work out of a dog that age this season, most dogs benefit from being held back. They're is an old saying the best way to ruin a well trained gundog is to take it shooting and its true, mine get away with far more on the shooting field than the training field and they know it too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJW Posted September 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 It doubtful if ur dog will really get much/any benefit from it, but to be fair watching at a distance on a lead is not likely to do any harm either. Possibly as i said earlier going into a nearby field and doing some fairly basic recall/stop and easy retrieves may be of some benefit, but if the dog is not quite ready more chance of it being distracted and misbehaving so even ur basic training is not helping. I'd just carry on with ur training, if ur dog is 9 months old now its only going to be 13ish months come Feb, which is still very young to be working. If ur really itching for the next step mibee try and hire a rabbit pen or offer to dog in some pheasants for a keeper BUT keep it very controlled and not too many birds and don't let the dog chase, but it may still be yong for that too Personally i'd probably wait till next season before taking it along at all, (althou on a shoot i'm working a few dogs so can't spend the time with a dog not quite ready) possibly doing wot u mention later on in season may help. My young lab was 2 1/2 before i took him for the 1st time, was almost ready the previous season but i had enough dogs so no point in rushing it and glad i held him back. But in reality i'd be not expecting any work out of a dog that age this season, most dogs benefit from being held back. They're is an old saying the best way to ruin a well trained gundog is to take it shooting and its true, mine get away with far more on the shooting field than the training field and they know it too Thanks Scots lad, good advice as always. Thank you Ian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 To watch from a distance on a lead. Not work. Not quite as much of an obvious question as "Should I take him on a shoot" with an inference to working him. Apologies, I'm not trying to be a smart **** and none of us here can see your dog. But taking a cocker (in particular) of that age out on a shoot day on a lead may well lead to a whine induced by excitement. It's like taking a toddler to a sweet shop and asking it to keep its hands in its pockets. Take your time, train your dog calmly and make the shoot day another extension of its training at the right stage. That may be right now, I don't know. I've a pup here now I have hunted on rabbits and shot a gun over to a placed retrieve of a warm rabbit at 10 months, I've an older dog would have nearer 3 before it was ready for that. Only you know, and, again with respect, if you don't know then err on the side of caution and leave the dog at home. p.s. even with the pup referred to above I wouldn't take it on shoot day on a lead. The only qualification I would make is that it is useful for very young dogs and pups to experience travelling to a shoot, socialising in the morning, at elevenses and afterwards but not in my view during the action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 WGD were your ears burning yesterday lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 WGD were your ears burning yesterday lol They burn most days, lol, why yesterday specifically? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 (edited) mutual friend of ours was telling us about you laughing your head off about somebody saying they trained with him.... But didn't realise it was him they were speaking to..... Hahahahaha!! Edited October 2, 2016 by bigbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted October 3, 2016 Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 mutual friend of ours was telling us about you laughing your head off about somebody saying they trained with him.... But didn't realise it was him they were speaking to..... Hahahahaha!! Ah, I'll get the gen on these Welsh dogs when I see him on Wednesday ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 He called mine a 'Tasmanian Devil' in cover, I was thrilled !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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