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I totally agree with you there. I'm struggling with myself not to buy it. already have one, and I don't need it, but it is brand new even though it is probably 22 years old. He says it has put 200 pellets up the spout and lived in the cupboard. Never been outside. He doesn't even say it needs O rings even though he recommends it. But they cost about £13 for the proper ones, and it is a piece of you know what to out them in.

 

 

No - Webley marketed Fredrik Axelson's first Commercially available PCP rifle as the Webley Axsor. Axelson had them made in Sweden by a small CNC Engineering company. I think they started making them about 1995. The rifles are a class act - real engineered quality. He then sold them through Logun and also after that made more or less the same rifle and sold them himself under the FX brand. I believe he still owns the FX company. The almost identical rifle to mine was sold as the FX2000. The Logun had a different bolt and the FX2000 had two small power control screws to adjust power. There was also a pressure gauge on the later rifles. These three rifles are identical in their major components and were designed to run around the high twenties to 30 foot pounds. Mine as the early version of teh series has no port restrictor and power is governed in a different way. They had to be throttled down for sale in the UK. This is why when you have them on a ticket running as they were designed to be, they deliver very consistent velocities. I bet my rimfire rifles don't deliver anything like 4fps variance in muzzle velocity over a magazine.
Almost all the parts are available at Chambers.
By the way - when I talk about putting in O rings, just in case anybody reading this at some time in the future is clueless about working on these things - ALWAYS MAKE SURE THE CYLINDER IS COMPLETELY DEPRESSURISED BEFORE YOU START. To do otherwise is to set off a small bomb in your hands. Undoing bolts on a pressurised cylinder could easily kill you or someone else.
Do I need to warn people without a FAC about not turning these things up? Surely not. I read an account the other day on an airgun specialists website about a numpty being stopped with an over powered air rifle a few pounds over the limit and he was taken from the dock howling about how he had no idea it wasn't legal after he got sent down for two years.
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I took my 25ft pound Webley Axsor out to the farm this morning and I tested it at 35 yards for grouping and power. It was a bit windy so the groups were a bit big at about an inch or so, but the power was outstanding. It shot right through a one inch seasoned pine plank and made a loud ping off the steel hurdle that was directly behind it. This one inch steel tube was dented and had an 8mm lead splatter mark on it - that after going through one inch the plank. I don't doubt it will do well against 50 or 60 yard rabbits in this configuration on a calm day. Between five and fifty yards the trajectory is essentially flat with a max of half an inch up and down over that range. I got 35 full power shots before the POI started to drop, and even after 43 shots it was still way above 12ft pounds and perfectly usable. It still had 100 Bar in the reservoir. It took 105 pumps to get it back up to 200 bar when I got home. I was bl00dy puffing at the end.

 

 

Don't forget RWS also produced Axsor/FX2000 variants with in my opinion better looking stocks, the twin shot Rapier which never really took off and the Excaliber, of which I have the later in .22 on ticket at 28ft/lb producing about 35 usable consistent shots. Don't forget we are talking about standard rifles and not the carbine versions in order to get 30 plus shots.

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Don't forget RWS also produced Axsor/FX2000 variants with in my opinion better looking stocks, the twin shot Rapier which never really took off and the Excaliber, of which I have the later in .22 on ticket at 28ft/lb producing about 35 usable consistent shots. Don't forget we are talking about standard rifles and not the carbine versions in order to get 30 plus shots.

Thanks for that Dasher - I had no idea that rws made any.

 

Seems like Fredrick Axelson moved his production about.

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Seriously? It isn't even your thread new boy! Bruno hasn't done anything wrong in my eyes, this is what a forum is for.

Didn't say it was my thread, it was winnie2457 who posted it stating he bought a gamo phox for people to comment on and sharing his experience for others to see, then bruno jumped all over it stating other rifles were better for the price, even though hes never shot this NEW rifle so how the hell would he know ? which to me is a fan boy reply rather than actually knowing facts before he speaks. Suck his **** all you want, put both guns at the 40yard range then let the results do the talking, ps, have YOU or ur *** chum shot the gamo phox, no ?, then shut up, post it when u do yeah !

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Ooooooh - missed that little tantrum from HesHicks, been removed I'm guessing but thanks winnieandbezza for highlighting it. Whilst I have no interest in competing in a battle of wits with someone who is clearly unarmed might I point out that this is a public forum and if you don't like peoples opinions then move on but I might add that I have been using Airguns for over 40 years and have owned/used a great many of them, I have instructed Cadets in the art of Rifle shooting and I control vermin with one nearly everyday on a semi pro basis (also spent many years in the Aviation Industry in a precision engineering role) I hold a section 1 as well as SGC and explosives licence, when I'm not shooting I collect/restore pre 1900 English Hammer Guns. I was rather hoping that my experience would grant me a sound basis on which to make a judgement on the Gamo in question or, in fact, any other Gamo that I have ever encountered but if I am , in fact, "doing your head in" then I bow down to your clearly superior knowledge of Guns and eloquent use of the English

Obviously u haven't shot a single pellet through the new gamo phox so HOW THE **** WOULD YOU KNOW how it compares to you're fanboy gun ? Answer that and I'll seriously be impressed !

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Didn't say it was my thread, it was winnie2457 who posted it stating he bought a gamo phox for people to comment on and sharing his experience for others to see, then bruno jumped all over it stating other rifles were better for the price, even though hes never shot this NEW rifle so how the hell would he know ? which to me is a fan boy reply rather than actually knowing facts before he speaks. Suck his **** all you want, put both guns at the 40yard range then let the results do the talking, ps, have YOU or ur *** chum shot the gamo phox, no ?, then shut up, post it when u do yeah !

Bit of advice pal, you won't last long on here talking like that, not really any need for it is there? It's nice that you've found a gun that suits you but try holding back a bit.

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Didn't say it was my thread, it was winnie2457 who posted it stating he bought a gamo phox for people to comment on and sharing his experience for others to see, then bruno jumped all over it stating other rifles were better for the price, even though hes never shot this NEW rifle so how the hell would he know ? which to me is a fan boy reply rather than actually knowing facts before he speaks. Suck his **** all you want, put both guns at the 40yard range then let the results do the talking, ps, have YOU or ur *** chum shot the gamo phox, no ?, then shut up, post it when u do yeah !

Well That escalated quickly

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Somebody seems to have frontal lobe damage. Probably not the best qualification for someone interested in firearms. He got as far as his fifth post on the forum before losing his rag and having a tantrum.

 

Not something you often see around here to be honest. I've met some real gents here, one of whom is certainly bruno22rf.

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Somebody seems to have frontal lobe damage. Probably not the best qualification for someone interested in firearms. He got as far as his fifth post on the forum before losing his rag and having a tantrum.

 

Not something you often see around here to be honest. I've met some real gents here, one of whom is certainly bruno22rf.

 

^ Agree ^ A great guy to deal with and has expert knowledge which he is very happy to share.

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hello, a tubed pcp the aa s410 a bottle version the bsa r10 both will last years if serviced, why ? nice light weight air rifles

Thanks, heard a few bad stories about the BSA, sexy rifle but few people here and there saying they will never buy one again. s410 not so much. alot of members tend to favour the hw100 over these two mentioned for build quality and accuracy. If anyone has had experience with all 3 of these would love to hear what they would choose. Thanks for reply, will do some research on both you mentioned, thanks !

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Bit of advice pal, you won't last long on here talking like that, not really any need for it is there? It's nice that you've found a gun that suits you but try holding back a bit.

Yes of course, so should the guy who assumes "his choice of rifle is better" even though hes only used on out of the two in question. How can he possibly compare without using both side by side. This thread started with someone talking about the gamo they bought and how much they liked it, he then jumped all over it saying "how many gamo have won FT comps, this gun is better, more shots per fill, does better this and that" thats why i butted in !. Like him saying "my car is faster than yours, have we raced, NO, so how the hell would you know ?"

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things I've never tried:

cholera

drinking petrol

cutting toenails with a scythe.

and one or two other things.

just because you've never tried them doesn't mean you can't recommend avoiding them! Gamo aren't a byword for reliability and that ethos seems to be alive and well with BSA. The R10 is a great gun on paper - ruined in production to the point that the Mk1 was a disaster and had to be replaced far too quickly by the Mk2, which still needed to be worked on to make it the gun the designed deserved. It's no coincidence that there are a whole host of reputable tuners who have made their names tuning woeful BSA guns!

 

Personally, I'd rather buy something second hand from someone more reputable than a Gamo or a BSA.

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Thanks, heard a few bad stories about the BSA, sexy rifle but few people here and there saying they will never buy one again. s410 not so much. alot of members tend to favour the hw100 over these two mentioned for build quality and accuracy. If anyone has had experience with all 3 of these would love to hear what they would choose. Thanks for reply, will do some research on both you mentioned, thanks !

I can't speak for the other 2 but the AA S410 has no accuracy issues, groups in about a 10p at 50 yards. For the money it's a lot of rifle.

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^ Agree ^ A great guy to deal with and has expert knowledge which he is very happy to share.

 

Somebody seems to have frontal lobe damage. Probably not the best qualification for someone interested in firearms. He got as far as his fifth post on the forum before losing his rag and having a tantrum.

 

Not something you often see around here to be honest. I've met some real gents here, one of whom is certainly bruno22rf.

Gents dont put down equipment they never used. Or make 1st time buyers of PCP rifles feel bad by saying "How many gamo rifles have won FT competitions, this gun shoots more per fill, this gun this, this gun that" basicaly saying you bought the wrong rifle without even using the new gamo, thats called assumption, not experience or proof. Does that sound Gentlemen esk or friendly to you ?

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things I've never tried:

cholera

drinking petrol

cutting toenails with a scythe.

and one or two other things.

just because you've never tried them doesn't mean you can't recommend avoiding them! Gamo aren't a byword for reliability and that ethos seems to be alive and well with BSA. The R10 is a great gun on paper - ruined in production to the point that the Mk1 was a disaster and had to be replaced far too quickly by the Mk2, which still needed to be worked on to make it the gun the designed deserved. It's no coincidence that there are a whole host of reputable tuners who have made their names tuning woeful BSA guns!

 

Personally, I'd rather buy something second hand from someone more reputable than a Gamo or a BSA.

If it shoots like a laser and doesn't break then i aint bothered really. I'll be the 1st to post if it does trust me !

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Only way to know your hold over for certain pellets and ranges is to print some groups at the ranges you want to shoot at write them on a range card. The likes of ChairGun Pro can be spot on or off a bit depending how much info you can input.

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