Woodbepigeonshooter Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 http://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/your-practice/regulation/gpc-to-seek-change-to-firearms-licensing-procedure-following-gp-outrage/20033268.article Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scutt Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 not happy because they don't think they can make judgments unless they can charge a fee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kody Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 dam right to gps should not have to take part in any fac or sgc renewals or grants they got enough on there plate as it is they are not qualified to judge applicants to say whether they are fit or unfit to hold a firearm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scutt Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 The police have to have some point of reference as to the health of an applicant as they have always had in the past but events have shown that they did not always follow up on the permission given to look at the health records of all applicants but now they have past the buck to gps lets be honest surly it will be an admins job to check for conditions that would be a cause for concern (probably after an afternoons training and a list of these conditions to refer to) . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 Another example of government implementing impractical, unworkable rules, regulations and legislation suggested by, for example, various interest groups, political lobbyists, civil servants, the police et al, all of whom, it appears have done no costing, other than to expect it to be done by for free by someone! (But not them!) Who do not know how it will be implemented or how it will/will not work in practice, and who have no agreement from those that will be required to implement it!........ What a joke! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 I am not totally clear as to the GPs' position.They seem to be in a position to judge suitability, if they can charge a fee.In the absence of a fee, they seem to be unqualified to pass judgement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 Let's be honest here, if we had lifetime licensing (30 years plus) and a marker on the NHS GP records system if the holder exhibited any notifiable condition this would be manageable. We could and, likely would, be prepared to pay once for the initial assessment, FLO's could manage it, GPs could manage it and renewal times and staffing costs could be reduced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 I am not totally clear as to the GPs' position. They seem to be in a position to judge suitability, if they can charge a fee. In the absence of a fee, they seem to be unqualified to pass judgement. I rather feel you have hit the nail on the head. Back in 2015 a report from HMIC (Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabularies) stated that a medical report should be obtained before grant. This was something that the BMA agreed with and I quote......... Responding to the report, BMA professional fees committee chair John Canning said: The proposals for a pre-report from a GP on gun licensing reflects a position the BMA has been advocating for some time. It is encouraging that HMIC has accepted our advice. It is vital that doctors play a role in ensuring gun licences are issued safely. However, we do need to ensure that the practical implementation of the proposed system is effective, should it be taken forward, and does not unnecessarily increase workload for GPs at a time when many are struggling to cope with patient demand and falling resources." It would now seem that you are right Gordon. Stitch up certificate holders now there's a chance to make a quick buck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 From what I have been told the police write to your GP and ask if you the applicant have or have had any "relevant" health problems, the GP is under no obligation to reply. If your GP does not reply the police take that as 'no' but if you do have mental health problems and anything happens the onus falls back to the GP and not the police, its called 'passing the buck' and I think that is the part GP's don't like. The police are not asking the GP to make a medical assessment of your mental state, they ask if there are any recorded medical facts that could give rise to concerns, if there are the police will then ask for a full report from the GP which may incur a charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandladdie Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 the GP is under no obligation to reply. If your GP does not reply the police take that as 'no' but if you do have mental health problems and anything happens the onus falls back to the GP. In Scotland, no reply = no cert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 In Scotland, no reply = no cert You Scots seem to-be getting a bad deal with regards guns/shooting of any type, didn't I hear they were talking of licensing air rifles, or as that already happened? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandladdie Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 You Scots seem to-be getting a bad deal with regards guns/shooting of any type, didn't I hear they were talking of licensing air rifles, or as that already happened? Already under way. Pretty ridiculous situation tbh. I think a 5 year airgun licence is about £75 for grant. A £5 addition if you have sgc fac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 Well, come election time you know what to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 Already under way. Pretty ridiculous situation tbh. I think a 5 year airgun licence is about £75 for grant. A £5 addition if you have sgc fac Sorry to hear that mate, lets hope it does not happen this side of the boarder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scutt Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 just one more point how many requests for these checks will a gp get, divide them up with how many gps and divide this by once every five years will this really be an overload on the gps time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugs Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 (edited) http://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/your-practice/regulation/gpc-to-seek-change-to-firearms-licensing-procedure-following-gp-outrage/20033268.article Some rubbish being spouted in the comments by GPs, one even reckons why we should get a cert for free, he needs to do his or her homework first Quote Afterall which would the majority prefer - for the public to have less of GP time so that the gun holding community can have it's license for free and be certified by an untrained person??? Unquote What is BASC going to do about this Edited November 22, 2016 by Pugs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningB525 Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 just one more point how many requests for these checks will a gp get, divide them up with how many gps and divide this by once every five years will this really be an overload on the gps time Nope. They are just greedy. GPs have been part of the licensing process for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kody Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 Nope. They are just greedy. GPs have been part of the licensing process for a long time. But more involved now bloody ridiculous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 so they should do some thing about it,its been nothing but trouble, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 so they should do some thing about it,its been nothing but trouble, Shambles isn't the word, have a read of this............http://shootingshed.co.uk/wp/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/FELWG-NPCC-minutes-September-2016.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 And this is what happens when the police get involved in politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 This really p****s me off. Why? Well, aside from the fact this is obviously an attempt to stop all shooting by the anti-Gun lobby, at no time has anyone pointed out what a rediculous waste of time and effort this is. We are the safest sport or activity in this country - fact as I used to do the numbers on a huge personal accident account for the largest insurer in the country! You can count, on one hand, the number of deaths from legally held guns annually yet we are subject to this farce every 5 years. But on our roads motoring accidents account for nearly 2,000 deaths annually plus numerous life changing injuries - you get a licence when you pass your test and 50 years later (or perhaps before if you just happen to kill or maim a few!!) you get asked to prove you are fit to drive. Can we not get real about this and ask our Goverment to introduce 10 or 25 years licences and tell the BMA and the Home Office to grow up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigmax1701 Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 The police are not asking the GP to make a medical assessment of your mental state, they ask if there are any recorded medical facts that could give rise to concerns, if there are the police will then ask for a full report from the GP which may incur a charge. The item I read a while ago asked, in the doctors opinion if there was any reason to not grant. I could see the doctors potential issue with that but, if the question was as quoted I see no come back to the doctor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 Shambles isn't the word, have a read of this............http://shootingshed.co.uk/wp/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/FELWG-NPCC-minutes-September-2016.pdf Wow....just read through this and it looks like air rifle licensing is due to come in force on the 30 December 2016, (Scotland) but the shameful thing about it is the snippet below, just think of all the old air rifles that are going to-be scrapped (ditchman) Police Scotland has recently held a surrender campaign for air weapons, and FL gave a brief update on what had been surrendered. Police Scotland is currently reporting numbers in excess of 15,000 air weapons being surrendered to the police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 Read my earlier post - this is how we will lose our guns, our sport and for many our livelihoods. Death by a thousand cuts! If only we had a united body ie the combined might of BASC, CPSA, CA etc etc and the other countrysports lobbying for us we might get some sense out of this. We are very very vulnerable today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.