Proxy Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 Seems to be that from looking on this post that if you walk your dog during morning before you go to work, get someone to checkup on him during the day (1pm etc) then walk him in the evening when you're back from work seems to work good, as long as the pup/dog has a run, Am I correct in saying this? Getting a pup myself I'm in the same situation as you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kippylawkid Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 I have had dogs all my life apart from my army time and the dogs fit in with my lifestyle not me fitting in with the dog's.I have seen dogs that are with the "family" all day they also get treats all day and are fat and unfit then some of these people have had the gall to say I am cruel because I keep them in kennels and I am not feeding them enough because you can see their ribs when they move, some days my dogs are out with me shooting all day other days they may be in the kennel all day. Very good point. Unless you're unemployed, retired or work from home, how can you give all that time to a dog? Modern living just does not allow that to happen. My labs have always been kennelled outside, exercised morning and night and are as fit as the proverbial butchers' dogs. They were gradually introduced to being alone in the kennel for longer periods and are absolutely fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aled Posted January 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 Thanks all replies still coming in which is good. Walking first thing in the morning no problem, walk when I/we get home no problem. The time between then is my concern. It would appear that kennelling is acceptable. Cheers Aled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 My dog is on his own for a minimum of 9 hours every day. He gets walked for a mile before I go to work and two miles when I come home. It has never bothered me or my dog and he is quite happy left in the yard all day with shelter if needed but rarely used, he would rather just lie in the rain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fal Posted February 1, 2017 Report Share Posted February 1, 2017 Aled, I wouldn't worry about the dog being on it's own for the amount of time you are concerned about. Sometimes mine are crated, after a long walk, for a good 5-6 hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aled Posted February 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2017 Thanks guys. Cheers Aled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieknuckles Posted February 2, 2017 Report Share Posted February 2, 2017 Dogs are very sociable animals, I have four most dogs crave company be it human or another dog, if they had the choice they would be by your side 24/7. There are quite a few dogs that get left alone all day where I live and I think the owners either don't know, or don't care about the noise that they make either howling or barking at whatever they hear throughout the day. A tired dog is much more content and will sleep most of the day through, as for puppies it is a big step to leave a litter and end up on your own for most of the day. Some dogs handle it better than others, I had a dog years ago who when left alone would try and chew his way out just because he was trying to find us that is one of the reasons we needed up with more than one this time. You only have to watch some of the hidden camera footage of what they can get up to when you are out, they get bored and lonely just the same as we do, but I do think exercise is they key in keeping them happy. The novelty can wear off when you are out in the dark and p###ing rain before and after work week in and week out. But I wouldn't be without any of mine even if it is harder to keep them all happy now the shooting season has stopped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted February 2, 2017 Report Share Posted February 2, 2017 My neighbour has a dog that's left in all day,constantly barking and it's torture.It doesn't get walked,it just gets put out in the garden for 15 minutes before they trot off to work.In the summer I don't notice it as I usually fish most days or I'm out on the mountain bike.However winter is a nightmare,the slightest noise I make in my own home sets this mut off. Had a few words a couple of times but it like banging your head off a tree & to top it all of they went out and bought a cat that just sits in the window all day. Their back garden is full of dog doo,so you can imagine the waft that comes over the fence on a breezy summer day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 (edited) Very good point. Unless you're unemployed, retired or work from home, how can you give all that time to a dog? Modern living just does not allow that to happen. My labs have always been kennelled outside, exercised morning and night and are as fit as the proverbial butchers' dogs. They were gradually introduced to being alone in the kennel for longer periods and are absolutely fine. To add balance, I belive that is awful advice, and pointing to others who don't look after their dogs properly as if that vindicates them being left on their own is imo terrible advice. In answer to your question "how can anyone give all that time to a dog?" Simple, don't get one! Edited February 3, 2017 by 12gauge82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aled Posted February 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 Varied replies again. Cheers Aled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 To add balance, I belive that is awful advice, and pointing to others who don't look after their dogs properly as if that vindicates them being left on their own is imo terrible advice. In answer to your question "how can anyone give all that time to a dog?" Simple, don't get one! To counter balance I believe this is also awful advice, at best. Your opinions of "properly" looking after you dog is exactly that, your opinion. In my view (as someone who has had dogs both as pets and working dogs all my life, and currently has one house dog and four kennelled) dogs do not need constant company, they undoubtedly benefit from the company of each other but a dog on it's own during the working day that is suitably stimulated, exercised and socialised outwith that time is a perfectly happy animal... happier than many pet dogs in with constant company and constant "treats". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 To counter balance I believe this is also awful advice, at best. Your opinions of "properly" looking after you dog is exactly that, your opinion. In my view (as someone who has had dogs both as pets and working dogs all my life, and currently has one house dog and four kennelled) dogs do not need constant company, they undoubtedly benefit from the company of each other but a dog on it's own during the working day that is suitably stimulated, exercised and socialised outwith that time is a perfectly happy animal... happier than many pet dogs in with constant company and constant "treats". Totally agree. But with the caveat that it does depend on the dog itself. Some are perfectly happy in their own company, some less so. All my dogs have been happy on their own providing they got the regular exercise and company they needed. But, my current ESS has never been able to be left for more than an hour or so and that took years to achieve. Thankfully it is a rare trait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 I have had dogs all my life apart from my army time and the dogs fit in with my lifestyle not me fitting in with the dog's.I have seen dogs that are with the "family" all day they also get treats all day and are fat and unfit then some of these people have had the gall to say I am cruel because I keep them in kennels and I am not feeding them enough because you can see their ribs when they move, some days my dogs are out with me shooting all day other days they may be in the kennel all day.I'm not looking for an argument but am amazed anyone thinks it's okay to leave their dog in a kennel for an entire day, also effectively saying stuff a dogs natural needs it must fit in with my lifestyle. Your opinions of "properly" looking after you dog is exactly that, your opinion. I agree, hence why I said imo I.e In My Opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 Heaven forbid anyone goes on holiday, and has to leave their dogs at a boarding kennel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 Mine goes to work with the girlfriend every day, she runs a boarding kennel that her parents own ( and is at their house ) so all our 7 dogs go with her. If she's off competing then the lab will come to work with me ( she competes with all the others ). The lab is quite content sat in the car at work, or out in the tractor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 For the record I'm not saying a dog cannot be kennelled, but for the average person it's not a fair option for a dog, if your working your dog and it's sleeping in a kennel fair enough, but most people don't exercise their dogs enough for it to be fair to them (of course some are), disagree with me all you want but the millions of dogs that are put down or put in rehoming centres are testament to the thousands and thousands of unsuitable homes and owners in this country, there seems to be several people on here who are very tetchy on this subject, guilty conscious maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 Ur last post makes no sense and isn't really relevant Off the thousands and thousands (or even millions) of dogs rehomed or in rescue centres i bet working kenneled dogs are the tiny tiny minority. I bet the vast majority are house dogs! So does that mean that living in a house is less suitable. The vast majority of working dogs esp keepers or part of picking up teams will be kennelled and left alone for long periods throu the day, with a bit of excise and mental stimulation which is just as important U'll prob find kennelled dogs actually happier than house dogs as the have there own secure territory where there safe and won't be disturbed . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 Ur last post makes no sense and isn't really relevant Off the thousands and thousands (or even millions) of dogs rehomed or in rescue centres i bet working kenneled dogs are the tiny tiny minority. I bet the vast majority are house dogs! So does that mean that living in a house is less suitable. The vast majority of working dogs esp keepers or part of picking up teams will be kennelled and left alone for long periods throu the day, with a bit of excise and mental stimulation which is just as important U'll prob find kennelled dogs actually happier than house dogs as the have there own secure territory where there safe and won't be disturbed . I agree kennelled dogs that are properly worked are some of the happiest dogs there are, I alluded to that in my post, but I stand by it, dogs that don't get enough exercise and socialisation are living a miserable life and too many people justify their poor treatment of them and get defensive when spoken about the thousands of dogs in rehoming centres and getting put down are testament to this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 As I said before; it depends on the individual dog's character. Some dogs hate being kennelled or left. If you have that type of dog, and often you don't know until you have owned it for several months, then it shouldn't be left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fal Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 People create an issue when they have a dog by having it with them non-stop. They have them up on the settee, upstairs, they don't go out because they don't want to leave the pup alone. In real life, when the dog is older it's going to have to be left alone, so it needs to know and get used to this from a pup. The sooner it knows that even when it's left alone, somebody will come back to them, the sooner they will calm down and get used to being left alone. I feed my dogs in their crates, put their water in there, if they fall to sleep anywhere other than the crate I put them in there to sleep. I never put them in there as a punishment, which I have seen people do. My dogs now choose to go them when they want a sleep, when I am leaving the house, after they realise they aren't coming with me, they both just get in their crates and kip! It's hard when they are young and I've been called cruel numerous times for locking the pup in the crate in the night and to sleep, but I think it's more cruel to have a dog that isn't used to being left alone then having separation anxiety when I am not there. Each to their own but getting their routine right from a pup and sticking to it is key in my view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aled Posted February 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 Even the dog rescue centres do allow dogs to be left home alone for periods of time, its often 4 hours but sometimes 5hours as I have looked at the possibility of a rescue dog. So even to these organisations leaving a dog alone for some of the time is not seen as cruel. (and their rules are usually strict!) Cheers Aled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 Dogs like people have different characteristics. It is wrong to blame people for making their dogs needy when it could be down to the dog's character. I have known GSDs that would face a violent crowd without flinching go to pieces when left in kennels. Some dogs need more company than others. After all they are pack animals. You can't always train a dog to be happily left alone. Some will take to it, some won't and it is the ones that can't cope with being left that howl or bark incessantly when left, or cause damage to their kennels and runs. The problem with getting a dog with the intention of leaving it at home while you are at work is that you won't know how the dog copes until you leave it. And that can be several weeks or months after getting it if you get an 8 week old pup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aled Posted February 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 Sounds like good advice UK Poacher. Every dog is different. Cheers Aled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 Dogs like people have different characteristics. It is wrong to blame people for making their dogs needy when it could be down to the dog's character. I have known GSDs that would face a violent crowd without flinching go to pieces when left in kennels. Some dogs need more company than others. After all they are pack animals. You can't always train a dog to be happily left alone. Some will take to it, some won't and it is the ones that can't cope with being left that howl or bark incessantly when left, or cause damage to their kennels and runs. The problem with getting a dog with the intention of leaving it at home while you are at work is that you won't know how the dog copes until you leave it. And that can be several weeks or months after getting it if you get an 8 week old pup. +1 good common sense advice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) I commented on this tread earlier about the dog next door,They trotted off to work at 8.30 this morning and the stupid mut was still going at 11.30 am with a couple of breaks for breath (about a minute).I lost the will to live so went out and sat in a cafe till 2.30 pm.On returning home it was still going and has beended doing so until the fat *** came home at 5pm. That's my day in a nutshell because some inconsiderate lard **** bought a house dog. Edited February 8, 2017 by Davyo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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