rbrowning2 Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 Not looking for tit for tat argument just interest in how often cartridges are checked, not being a competitive shooter it is not a problem for me. Cheating happens try telling the russains that rules are rules and if you don't like it then don't do it. I would expect at least one random cartridge sample should be checked at every reg comp to demonstrate compliance of the rules and as a deterrent. Otherwise leaving even home loads out of it what's to stop anybody using what they like? After all only a simple cheap set of scales is only required to check the cartridge. Quite surprised the CPSA appear to be so laid back about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 If you was to get a dozen top shooters from each disaplin and put a range of top clay shells along with some top homelands for them to chose from .... I rekon the homeloads would be put back in the van at the end of the day.. Now that is an interesting idea and a challenge I or somebody I know would be up for, not so sure the cartridge manufactures would be mind you but if you are in a position to organise it in the summer let me know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 (edited) Not looking for tit for tat argument just interest in how often cartridges are checked, not being a competitive shooter it is not a problem for me. Cheating happens try telling the russains that rules are rules and if you don't like it then don't do it. I would expect at least one random cartridge sample should be checked at every reg comp to demonstrate compliance of the rules and as a deterrent. Otherwise leaving even home loads out of it what's to stop anybody using what they like? After all only a simple cheap set of scales is only required to check the cartridge. Quite surprised the CPSA appear to be so laid back about this. i am one shooter , just because I have only ever seen it happen once is hardy a benchmark is it ? ALL serious competitive shooters or at least 99% of them would know the ruling on this matter , if they were unaware I'm quite sure that they would be educated , the fact that hardy anyone gets pulled has nothing to do with the incompetence of the referee , like I have said a number of times , people just don't/wont bother with home loads in compition , to a true competitive shooter there is too much at stake , Edited January 7, 2017 by stevo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 Now that is an interesting idea and a challenge I or somebody I know would be up for, not so sure the cartridge manufactures would be mind you but if you are in a position to organise it in the summer let me know. its pointless , it would not matter a jot , EVEN and it a massive EVEN the homeloads won as you still would not be able to use them in comp haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 Sorry if it looked like I was blaming the ref I was not and fully agree hardly a benchmark. Responsibility for inforcing the rules must start at the top with the cpsa so as you say may be more checks go on than the one you have experienced. Otherwise temptation must be their for example to have a few 32gm 6 cartridges in your bag for a rangy rabbit clay for example. Good shooting Rb. its pointless , it would not matter a jot , EVEN and it a massive EVEN the homeloads won as you still would not be able to use them in comp haha Ye of little faith ha ha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 Sorry if it looked like I was blaming the ref I was not and fully agree hardly a benchmark. Responsibility for inforcing the rules must start at the top with the cpsa so as you say may be more checks go on than the one you have experienced. Otherwise temptation must be their for example to have a few 32gm 6 cartridges in your bag for a rangy rabbit clay for example. Good shooting yes and you too , and thank you for a cracking little debate . I enjoyed that , atb stevo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 Out if interest when did you last or see anybody have a cartridge checked during a competition? Only once. About 18 months ago but it turned out fine. Apart from that nothing. But that's because people know the rules and just don't bother using home loads As for superior ..... I'm not convinced You may very well make some good batches granted. But I will be willing to bet good money that if you was to make 10 k of your chosen homeload to the same spec as My 10 k from my chosen manufacturer mine would be a lot more consistent from start to finish. Steve this is rubbish I have had factory cartridges tested at the proof house they are all over the place with speeds and pressure my home loads were much more consistent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 (edited) Only once. About 18 months ago but it turned out fine. Apart from that nothing. But that's because people know the rules and just don't bother using home loads As for superior ..... I'm not convinced You may very well make some good batches granted. But I will be willing to bet good money that if you was to make 10 k of your chosen homeload to the same spec as My 10 k from my chosen manufacturer mine would be a lot more consistent from start to finish. Steve this is rubbish I have had factory cartridges tested at the proof house they are all over the place with speeds and pressure my home loads were much more consistent dean , like I have said it don't matter a jot mate , there against the rules end of , and before you say " well I have been using them for 30 yrs " know this , if you was on a line in comp with me using home loads , I would grass your backside up in a heartbeat , that's if the ref didn't cop you first , Edited January 7, 2017 by stevo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 Steve in not talking about using them in competition I'm saying that I can load a cartridge better and more consistent than a manufacture Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 (edited) yes very good dean , but your still missing my point , like I said to the other chap , good batches are oftern made , I have done loads myself , but there no good for the points I made , Edited January 7, 2017 by stevo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 If comp x were realy that good Hull sponsored shooters would use them I have never seen a championship won with Hull comp x in any discipline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 If comp x were realy that good Hull sponsored shooters would use them I have never seen a championship won with Hull comp x in any discipline where has that come from ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted January 8, 2017 Report Share Posted January 8, 2017 where has that come from ?Deershoooter, it's the post above. A homeloader can make better than factory, although I never test factory. I made some stellar loads a few years ago. Best consistency I have ever seen, 10 shotstring too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simuk Posted January 8, 2017 Report Share Posted January 8, 2017 Amazing! The trolls come out even on the topic of reloading cartridges JEEZUS! Could have swore the original poster asked about Reloading 12G Cartridges (is it really worth it)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted January 8, 2017 Report Share Posted January 8, 2017 I reload, and I shoot clays ... Life is too short to reload clay shells ... you need to work really hard to save any money at all, and with no 'practical' benefit that will improve your scores. Time better invested in shopping around and practicing IMHO. When I do reload, it's for specialist fowling loads etc, where I save a nice chunk of money, and get great results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted January 8, 2017 Report Share Posted January 8, 2017 Amazing! The trolls come out even on the topic of reloading cartridges JEEZUS! Could have swore the original poster asked about Reloading 12G Cartridges (is it really worth it)? Trolls? Hardly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 8, 2017 Report Share Posted January 8, 2017 Just started reloading myself and was at the range yesterday. DTL was using shot from a shot maker, reclaimed hulls from our club shoot, and about 3 grains less powder than is recommended as i'm a cheap sod. Clays broke very well and i noticed an improvement on breaks from the second barrel at range. Also the smile on my face from shooting my own shells was to me priceless, My advice would be to contact ( fruitloop ) on this forum and ask him if he has any shot makers left, buy one then get scrounging lead from wherever you can and drop your own shot. Great fun and a very satisfying hobby Oh saving are minimal, my shells came in at £3.95 for 25. But that's not why i chose to reload Lastly Brexit has not fully kicked in yet with regards to pricing of products coming from Europe so i suggest hoarding of components as significant saving may be just around the corner imo. I reload, and I shoot clays ... Life is too short to reload clay shells ... you need to work really hard to save any money at all, and with no 'practical' benefit that will improve your scores. Time better invested in shopping around and practicing IMHO. When I do reload, it's for specialist fowling loads etc, where I save a nice chunk of money, and get great results. By jove I think you two have it nailed! I certainly cannot see the point of trying to beat the manufacturers of mass produced clay shells. But the more specialised the load the better chance of re-loading your own being the way forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon controller Posted January 8, 2017 Report Share Posted January 8, 2017 In reply to the original title, it is my intention to reload subsonics as my local supplier is charging £80.00 for a slab of 32g 6s . I'm sure it will be marginally cheaper to reload my empties into subs. I can also hide in the man cave it will be different from making nets and snares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daviejones34 Posted January 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2017 Guys, Thanks for all your comments and debates (lol).... I think it's clear to say there is no saving on loading your own shells unless u can make your own shot, even then it's minimal saving. I will reload my shells as a hobby regardless and see if I can get my hands on a shoemaker. Cheers Davie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris1961 Posted January 8, 2017 Report Share Posted January 8, 2017 I have spent the last couple of years working on my reloading recipes I have now got them to a point were they are far superior to the off the shelf offerings from the major manufacturers in both speed and patterns I only took a couple of boxes to the clay ground today (ran out) so had to buy a couple of boxes of Kent the xxv or what ever they call them to get to the point out of 50 carts I had 8 duff primers compared to zero from my loads I was not the only one at leased 4 other shooters were complaining about them miss fires Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daviejones34 Posted January 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2017 Guys, Thanks for all your comments and debates (lol).... I think it's clear to say there is no saving on loading your own shells unless u can make your own shot, even then it's minimal saving. I will reload my shells as a hobby regardless and see if I can get my hands on a shoemaker. Cheers Davie. Shoemaker??? Lol shellshot maker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted January 8, 2017 Report Share Posted January 8, 2017 I'm sure you would have cobbled a few together Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daviejones34 Posted January 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2017 I have spent the last couple of years working on my reloading recipes I have now got them to a point were they are far superior to the off the shelf offerings from the major manufacturers in both speed and patterns I only took a couple of boxes to the clay ground today (ran out) so had to buy a couple of boxes of Kent the xxv or what ever they call them to get to the point out of 50 carts I had 8 duff primers compared to zero from my loads I was not the only one at leased 4 other shooters were complaining about them miss fires Just goes to show mate that even purchased shells from manufacturers can go wrong, at least your own shells were perfect. Shoemaker??? Lol shellshot maker Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted January 8, 2017 Report Share Posted January 8, 2017 I have spent the last couple of years working on my reloading recipes I have now got them to a point were they are far superior to the off the shelf offerings from the major manufacturers in both speed and patterns I only took a couple of boxes to the clay ground today (ran out) so had to buy a couple of boxes of Kent the xxv or what ever they call them to get to the point out of 50 carts I had 8 duff primers compared to zero from my loads I was not the only one at leased 4 other shooters were complaining about them miss fires Your shells are superior in speed and patterns to factory offerings. Can you elaborate on what testing you did and what results you had, to come up with that conclusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 I have spent the last couple of years working on my reloading recipes I have now got them to a point were they are far superior to the off the shelf offerings from the major manufacturers in both speed and patterns I only took a couple of boxes to the clay ground today (ran out) so had to buy a couple of boxes of Kent the xxv or what ever they call them to get to the point out of 50 carts I had 8 duff primers compared to zero from my loads I was not the only one at leased 4 other shooters were complaining about them miss fires +1 well i do slightly agree, for the input i can cobble together decent 1200fps loads but larger loadings, meaning tighter patterns, denser patterns. aka, 32g #6 vs 36g #4@ 1200fps... just my opinion lads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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