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#1 buze

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 04:21 PM

Could someone give me a brief on how to transfer a shotgun using a RFD? I understood you just had to pop in to a RFD, 'transfer' it to them, and the receiver would do the same on his side... For a fee obviously...

 

First time I'm considering selling on a shotgun online, just trying to get an idea on the procedure...


Edited by buze, 11 January 2017 - 04:22 PM.


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Posted 11 January 2017 - 04:25 PM

You've basically explained it yourself.

 

Because you can't post a firearm without being an RFD, you go to your local one and tell them where you need a gun posting. They will charge you for the transfer (£25-50 or more!) and organise with their courier to post it. They will verify that the receiving party are also an RFD and then the transfer takes place.

 

Regarding your licence, it's been a long time since my last RFD transfer, but IIRC my licence went with the gun and was sent back to me with the transfer. Things may have changed though, so I'm sure someone will correct me on that.


Edited by Billy., 11 January 2017 - 04:28 PM.


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Posted 11 January 2017 - 04:45 PM

Strictly speaking the buyer should send you their certificate for you enter the transfer on - you should see their authority to possess.  You then send the cert back to them and send the gun RFD to RFD.

 

Everything you need is here - I presume it is OK in copyright terms to paste a link as it is freely available on SkyNet/Google

https://basc.org.uk/...ANSACTIONS2.pdf



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Posted 11 January 2017 - 04:46 PM

Thanks Billy, that's also what I understood -- thanks for the confirmation. No need to send SGC documents around by post etc, that would be quite inconvenient...



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Posted 11 January 2017 - 04:51 PM

Thanks Billy, that's also what I understood -- thanks for the confirmation. No need to send SGC documents around by post etc, that would be quite inconvenient...

How will you be able to fill in the buyers SGC if he doesn't send it to you?



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Posted 11 January 2017 - 04:51 PM

I've bought and sold them and I couldn't remember which way the cert went. All coming back to me now.

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 05:11 PM

How will you be able to fill in the buyers SGC if he doesn't send it to you?

 

Well you do the transfer to the RFD, and /their/ RFD fills up their own cert? That's what I *hope* needed to be done really. But then again, that's why I'm asking, because I haven't done that before :-)



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Posted 11 January 2017 - 05:24 PM

How will you be able to fill in the buyers SGC if he doesn't send it to you?

 

Because you have taken the gun to an RFD, he will enter it into HIS book, a photocopy of your certificate can be taken but not required. You have handed the gun over to him. He will then arrange for gun to go to third party RFD, who will enter into HIS book. New buyer then gets gun from third party RFD who will fill in his Shotgun Certificate. The cash for the gun can go direct from one party to another and the relevant RFD informed as to when to send gun.  Hope this helps.

 

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BOTH parties need to inform their relevant Police Force Firearms Departments of the transaction. DO NOT PRESUME THE RFD WILL DO IT !


Edited by Westley, 11 January 2017 - 05:26 PM.


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Posted 11 January 2017 - 05:24 PM

a couple of years ago i used to take a gun in to the shop, they would transfer it to them selfs, send it to buyers rfd buyer would go pick it up and have it put on there cert, job done, then one day i went in and they said it had all changed, now id have to get buyer to send me his cert, id fill the details in then send cert back to him,then take my gun to the shop,send to his rfd, he would produce his cert and take the gun, i didnt believe this to be true so i rang my firearms licensing officer and asked them, and they said it should of been done like this for years, but now they were doing there best to make sure it happened this way, i did post about it when it happened, i will see if i can find it :good:  :good:



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Posted 11 January 2017 - 05:29 PM

a couple of years ago i used to take a gun in to the shop, they would transfer it to them selfs, send it to buyers rfd buyer would go pick it up and have it put on there cert, job done, then one day i went in and they said it had all changed, now id have to get buyer to send me his cert, id fill the details in then send cert back to him,then take my gun to the shop,send to his rfd, he would produce his cert and take the gun, i didnt believe this to be true so i rang my firearms licensing officer and asked them, and they said it should of been done like this for years, but now they were doing there best to make sure it happened this way, i did post about it when it happened, i will see if i can find it :good:  :good:

 

I have recently used the above method to BUY a gun from someone in Scotland.


Edited by Westley, 11 January 2017 - 05:30 PM.


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Posted 11 January 2017 - 05:32 PM

if i remember correctly it wasnt my rfd who suggested it it was the receiving rfd, mine rang them for there rfd number and they told them the new changes,,

 

cant find my old post



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Posted 11 January 2017 - 05:39 PM

You do not have to use a RFD to post to a receiving RFD..

i have sent sold guns to the receiving RFD  via Parcelforce , i do not posess a RFD cert only SGC

If done this way, the receiving RFD nominated by the buyer sends you a copy (usually overwritten "copy" or "specimen") of their RFD before you post

The buyer of your gun posts their SGC to you , you fill it in and return it to them



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Posted 11 January 2017 - 05:43 PM

hers the full carry on, all very complicated with different RFD's having different rules, hence why i have not bought or sold a gun this was since then. to much fafing about :good:  :good:

 

http://forums.pigeon...l= sending gun



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Posted 11 January 2017 - 05:46 PM

Strictly speaking the buyer should send you their certificate for you enter the transfer on - you should see their authority to possess.  You then send the cert back to them and send the gun RFD to RFD.

 

Everything you need is here - I presume it is OK in copyright terms to paste a link as it is freely available on SkyNet/Google

https://basc.org.uk/...ANSACTIONS2.pdf

bump - although direct to end RFD IF you can get a carrier to take it.


Edited by LeadWasp, 11 January 2017 - 05:49 PM.


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Posted 11 January 2017 - 06:28 PM

No one knows, not Stephen Hawkins nor God.

Edited by kyska, 11 January 2017 - 06:29 PM.


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Posted 11 January 2017 - 06:36 PM

 
Well you do the transfer to the RFD, and /their/ RFD fills up their own cert? That's what I *hope* needed to be done really. But then again, that's why I'm asking, because I haven't done that before :-)


That's the way most do it leadwasp has explained the 'correct way' that some forces are now enforcing

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 08:27 PM

I am in the process of giving a gun to a mate who lives a good way away.

 

It works out cheaper for me to fly over with the gun, see him for a pub lunch, then fly back.



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Posted 11 January 2017 - 08:40 PM

 It works out cheaper for me to fly over with the gun, see him for a pub lunch, then fly back.


Either you've got a greedy RFD or your own light aircraft 😂

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 08:51 PM

Strictly speaking the buyer should send you their certificate for you enter the transfer on - you should see their authority to possess.  You then send the cert back to them and send the gun RFD to RFD.
 
Everything you need is here - I presume it is OK in copyright terms to paste a link as it is freely available on SkyNet/Google
https://basc.org.uk/...ANSACTIONS2.pdf


This^

I have lost a few sales recently because I have to follow the rules.
My local firearms licensing department sent me a warning about doing it any other way so I queried it with basc who confirm that the correct way is for the seller to complete the certificate of the buyer and transfers to be arranged through rfd.

As for non RFDs sending a gun then you should read the prohibited items list of the couriers.
Firearms can only be sent with the relevant conditions on the account.

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 08:56 PM

No one knows, not Stephen Hawkins nor God.


Yeah I get that feeling too. I've bought two guns by RFD transfer and it seemed to depend on who the sending RFD was as to whether I had to send my cert off or not.




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