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Need some advice please.

 

I have got permission to shoot vermin and cwd on the land where i shoot pigeons. The question is what calibers to i put down on my application to cover the the species i have mentioned. I have shot some rifles over the years but never owned one myself so not sure what i would be able to get on my licence.

 

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You need to find out if the land is cleared and if so for what calibres otherwise you will need to get it cleared.

If its Northants the land is on give the firearms team there a bell with the postcode of the farm you have the permission on and get them to check it hopefully it will be cleared up to the calibre you need for the species. If not you will need to get them out to clear it for the calibre to shoot the quarry you want to.

If this is first application you will almost certainly be on a closed ticket so the land will need to be cleared for the calibres you want to shoot there by the FEO for that area. Also for first centre fire they may hit you with a mentoring condition.

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Its worth checking. I shoot over some ground in Beds and someone has the deer rights on it (im a bunny/ pigeon shooter) when I wanted to use my FAC from another permission on it after the farmer gave me the go ahead to shoot the FAC there. I checked and was suprised to find it wasnt cleared at all for anything so I assume the stalker was on open ticket. Also interestingly enough the max I could get it cleared for was .22CF due to footpaths so even if I got onto the deer there the roe are quite safe!

Fortunately I caught the FEO when she was in the area and go it cleared for my calibres fairly quickly but it did give me a lesson in never assuming if you are on a closed ticket.

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Nope just pick the one you want to lodge your applications against then if you get other permissions its just a case of confirming they are cleared for the calibre you want to shoot on it (if on a closed ticket). I have a couple of permissions but stuck the big one down to cover all my calibres. In Thames Valley they also generally want a signed permission form to confirm you have permission to shoot there and what you can shoot.

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That's not the case as far as I understand it. The specification on a closed FAC states you are able to shoot on land that has been deemed suitable by the chief constable that you have permission to shoot on it doesnt matter who it was deemed suitable for as long as it has been deemed suitable for the calibre you want to use.

On a new permission if you are on closed ticket the only obligation you have is to satisfy yourself that the ground has been cleared for the calibre you want to shoot on it.

The only difference between an open and closed FAC is that on an open FAC the shooter can make the decision if they can safely use the calibre they want to shoot on the land on a closed FAC the police make this judgement (in both cases of course you must have the permission of the owner of the land).

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That's not the case as far as I understand it. The specification on a closed FAC states you are able to shoot on land that has been deemed suitable by the chief constable that you have permission to shoot on it doesnt matter who it was deemed suitable for as long as it has been deemed suitable for the calibre you want to use.

On a new permission if you are on closed ticket the only obligation you have is to satisfy yourself that the ground has been cleared for the calibre you want to shoot on it.

The only difference between an open and closed FAC is that on an open FAC the shooter can make the decision if they can safely use the calibre they want to shoot on the land on a closed FAC the police make this judgement (in both cases of course you must have the permission of the owner of the land).

Well said. Closed ticket providing the land has been cleared for x calibre and you have landowners consent fill yer boots

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Good luck with the application. Here they would not give C/F without demonstrating experience or complete a safety course.

The closed ticket is a pita. I have 4 applications for clearance now. THe FAO is out to see me in the morning but he only covers two of them. I have some permissions with no clearance, some for .22 and some for .243. Keeping track of what and where is a headache.

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Bit obvious but I'll say anyway, as a fellow newbie to this excellent sport, also make sure you're aware of the rules and laws for deer staking!! I.E there are minimum calibres for the differing species of deer, in England and Scotland, minimum calibres is 220 for small deer like Munties and CWD, then 240 for the bigger stuff like roe, fallow reds etc. Also, there is criteria on minimum muzzle velocitys for the differing species. You can't shoot them hour before sunrise or hour after sunset, you can't shoot from a moving vehicle, if you shoot one and it runs to adjoining/neighbouring premises you don't have permission on, lawfully you're supposed to get permission to retrieve it etc etc.........Sorry if you already know about this, but I just thought worth pointing out.

 

I attended and successfully completed the DSc 1 with NGO and it's an excellent and very worthwhile course if you haven't been lucky enough to be taken out by an experienced stalker. Gralloching experience is another thing to get to grips with.

 

Good luck and good hunting.

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What area is your Perm in mate? Mine was in a different county and all I did was E-Mail Beds in this case and asked them if the post code was cleared and up to what calibre. Beds/ Herts were really helpful when I asked and no one made mention of it being only available to the FEOs of the applying force I got the impression it was freely available public information on request?

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After dealing with TVP I would just ring Kidlington office and check the post code with them. When I wanted to add a permission in Beds I was basically told to ring Beds and ask them if it was cleared so I sort of think that TVP are more than happy for the shooter to get the information themselves.

One word of warning though if the ground isn't cleared it could be a long wait to get it sorted. A Friend wanted a bit of ground cleared for .22-250 when it was cleared up to .223 and that took the best part of 4 months. Fingers crossed its already been sorted.

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I'm TVP, but I had a perm

Under Glos, I just emailed glos firearms dept with a google map highlighting the plot, gave all

My license details, contact details of me and the landowner, they were so quick, they cleared it within 3 days of the email including going out to see it....good luck..,

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