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Not sure if this is any use to anyone I looked at this thread a while back, but I was out walking down the river the other day and came across a big spaniel, he was eye ball to eye ball with my Gsp and looked to easily out weigh him, my pooch is about 63cm at the shoulder so he looked a big lad but everything looked in proportion and he was moving well??

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Not sure if this is any use to anyone I looked at this thread a while back, but I was out walking down the river the other day and came across a big spaniel, he was eye ball to eye ball with my Gsp and looked to easily out weigh him, my pooch is about 63cm at the shoulder so he looked a big lad but everything looked in proportion and he was moving well??

at that size possibly a Munsterlander

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Lost my Springer Breeze to cancer this week, to have him put to sleep was toughest decision I have had to make, very hard to take he was a very big dog 35kgs not fat unfortunately he was to big for his legs had a new hip in December just started to run around again then that happens, I was hoping to show a picture of him but not able to on this blog.

Mick

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Must admit i've been trying to source a big springer and new flame is the only kennel thats ever came up.

 

Is there any other kennels breeding old fashioned dogs?

 

I have an absolute belter in around 30kg, same size as my labs, think he's 9 now but still working well, i've never seen such a dog for finding/pegging game esp grouse.

He's found quite a few grouse now in front of head keepers and moor owners that a rake of other dogs have tried and failed on, always nce when u get a good retrieve/find in front of somebody., Being honest a lot of it is luck with wind/scent but he's luckier than most.

Unfortunately another 1 ball wonder, been asked to use him to line a few bitches over the years but always turned it down incase it was herditary,no point in breeding off bad stock

 

Just looked at my springer pedigree and a lot of Bdgercourt (prob 40% ) does the badger court line still exist? last 3 badgercourt were Moss, Druid and Saracen 3/4 generations back

I got badgercourt in my spangle he is bigger than all of my mates dogs I didn't notice until a few people remarked that he was quite a big springer

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I am currently reading up on Givendale dogs just for enjoyment, he has some videos on YouTube now.You can watch his dog hunting. 
 

Just my opinion but they don’t seem to be any faster or any better hunters than any of the modern FT stuff that I have seen, or have any magical stamina apart from good conditioning they I reckon could be put into most dogs. 

Im not sure they’re that big, just well coloured. 
 

I believe some of Jeremy Organ (Edgegrove) dogs go back to Badgercourt lines and he is known for liking a good sized dog. 
 

 

 

 

I have a field trial bred dog (Ted) that looks taller. Edwardiana/Killhoppmoss x Barcudwen Lines. 
 

If anyone wants a good sized stud then I’ve put Ted to health tested and he is clear of all genetic conditions. I am looking for a bitch to put him to now to see what he throws. 

As you can see from the picture, he has no problem putting birds in the bag. 
 

Think I will buy a go pro to video out trips this year :) 

 

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On 03/05/2021 at 15:49, Lloyd90 said:

I am currently reading up on Givendale dogs just for enjoyment, he has some videos on YouTube now.You can watch his dog hunting. 
 

Just my opinion but they don’t seem to be any faster or any better hunters than any of the modern FT stuff that I have seen, or have any magical stamina apart from good conditioning they I reckon could be put into most dogs. 

Im not sure they’re that big, just well coloured. 
 

I believe some of Jeremy Organ (Edgegrove) dogs go back to Badgercourt lines and he is known for liking a good sized dog. 
 

 

 

 

I have a field trial bred dog (Ted) that looks taller. Edwardiana/Killhoppmoss x Barcudwen Lines. 
 

If anyone wants a good sized stud then I’ve put Ted to health tested and he is clear of all genetic conditions. I am looking for a bitch to put him to now to see what he throws. 

As you can see from the picture, he has no problem putting birds in the bag. 
 

Think I will buy a go pro to video out trips this year  

 

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Hi Lioyd90, givensdale spaniels are being "promoted" as being old style, big springers. But I wouldn't class them as this style of springer. I have no doubt they are good dog's. But I don't know if they are the real deal if you are looking for big strong blocks of springers. To try and gauge a dog on it's hunting on video is also next to impossible, especially where drive, stamina comes into it. Only way is see a dog work for your self. Take a dog out at nine in the morning, heavy cover, woodcock shooting. When that dog is still working cover and flushing woodcock at four o clock  or after,  Then stand at a flood at flight time for a duck You have a proper working springer. As I said in a post on a different topic, these dogs exist, but most lads that have breed them,do mind there breeding, They don't breed them for money ,it's to keep the breed going,

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22 minutes ago, Krico woodcock said:

Hi Lioyd90, givensdale spaniels are being "promoted" as being old style, big springers. But I wouldn't class them as this style of springer. I have no doubt they are good dog's. But I don't know if they are the real deal if you are looking for big strong blocks of springers. To try and gauge a dog on it's hunting on video is also next to impossible, especially where drive, stamina comes into it. Only way is see a dog work for your self. Take a dog out at nine in the morning, heavy cover, woodcock shooting. When that dog is still working cover and flushing woodcock at four o clock  or after,  Then stand at a flood at flight time for a duck You have a proper working springer. As I said in a post on a different topic, these dogs exist, but most lads that have breed them,do mind there breeding, They don't breed them for money ,it's to keep the breed going,


I think the biggest issue for most people these days, is probably having land that you can start hunting at 9am and still be going at 4pm and still flushing birds. 
 

The land area would need to be massive, and the game numbers obviously would need to be somewhat decent. 
 

This is where the Irish benefit in that they have large areas of very wild and undeveloped land. 
 

Do you know anyone with the type of dog you describe? 

 

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19 hours ago, Lloyd90 said:


I think the biggest issue for most people these days, is probably having land that you can start hunting at 9am and still be going at 4pm and still flushing birds. 
 

The land area would need to be massive, and the game numbers obviously would need to be somewhat decent. 
 

This is where the Irish benefit in that they have large areas of very wild and undeveloped land. 
 

Do you know anyone with the type of dog you describe? 

 

That would make a obvious difference if you have not got available land and type of cover to get a dog fit enough and develop stamina. But I do believe stamina is bred in a dog, I have seen dogs with ample ground but never have the stamina, They will have maybe 3 hour's hunting then battery runs flat. That type of dog would not suit me. but Alot of lads might only do 3 or 4 hours on a Sunday morning so a good hunting dog with 3 hour's in it will be 100%. It's all about what Is needed  in a dog. I do alot of duck shooting and woodcock shooting.i expect my dogs to work as well in  water,heavy Rush, sally etc for ducks as I do to Hunt pheasant but mainly woodcock on land. 

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