Fisheruk Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 Done, stop carping on and just do the right thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 After that post I believe you may find yourself in a minority. From the tone of your post I can also ascertain that that will not bother you one jot. There was a lad on another forum with exactly the same name and from exactly the same place and he has a remarkably same style to that lad who i think was banned. Coincidence probably,lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-dot Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 Great name though! Just let your FEO know that you would use your gun in percieved danger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxfordshooter Posted March 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 I believe that the guidelines state that if you shoot somebody in your house in self defence then you're unlikely to be prosecuted. If you shoot somebody in your garden who's stealing your stuff then potentially you're in big trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 This thread is not about arguing the merits of the prosecution/defence again, we have had a thread for that, , its a request to help with the chaps legal expenses. Pretty simple really, you give, or you don't. Thank you ! The main reason I made comment was for no other reason then the man stood up for his rights in my opinion. The powers that be done there best to bring him down.but he battled on for what he believed I am convinced the man was terrified and did what ANY of us would have done in his situation. Ok if we didn't have a shotgun I wage good money you would have grabbed the nearest thing Be it baseball bat or what ever. But you would have not gone out there unarmed. You would have had some kind of protection. I personally would have just set the dogs on them and called the police. However we don't know what we would do until faced with that situation. Either way I belive the man should be given some slack for having the balls to defend himself and his wife. And then seeing it right the way the very end to prove his innocence ! Fair play I say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 Well worth a donation, I have made mine. If you agree with what he did, then he deserves your support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aga man Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 I thought he was at wilberfoss on the Beverley to york road! Yes he is, Wilberfoss near York not Lincolnshire! Made my Donation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandringstar Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 Well worth a donation, I have made mine. If you agree with what he did, then he deserves your support. in a nutshell really, the trial is over, he is innocent, put your money where your mouth is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 in a nutshell really, the trial is over, he is innocent, put your money where your mouth is So well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davewh100 Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 that's my donation done and Good luck to the old boy 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodgyrog Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 Where on our SGC's does it say they are issued for self protection? Or for the prevention of fuel theft as Farmer Palmer claimed..... He should have locked all his doors and called 999. And no doubt waited 2 or more hours for the police to arrive!!! Plonker I have made a small contribution - I hope all on here do likewise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-dot Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 Plonker eh? Just make sure on the filling in of your next renewal you are willing to use you gun/s for self defence or will you lie about your intentions in the same situation..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 This thread is not about arguing the merits of the prosecution/defence again, we have had a thread for that, , its a request to help with the chaps legal expenses. Pretty simple really, you give, or you don't. As above - this thread is to raise awareness of the justgiving fund. Further derailing posts will be removed from here on in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winston72 Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 could he not have his costs reimbursed? http://www.courtroomadvice.co.uk/do-you-pay-court-costs-if-found-not-guilty.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedsanity Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 So in effect you are asking people to pay because he was to stubborn to accept legal aid? Or have I grasped the stick at the wrong end? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonk Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 He didn't ask for it, even if he did it's highly unlikely he would have been eligible anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 He didn't ask for it, even if he did it's highly unlikely he would have been eligible anyway. he should have applied for legal aid because he MAY have been eligible!,if he had tried and been ineligible perhaps people would be more willing to help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbob Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 Tell them hes no got the money do you think they will jail him for non payment ?> i think they will drop the bill , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonk Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 He MAY have looked into it and saw he wasn't eligible as he didn't meet the specific criteria so didn't waste his time. We don't know do we? The point is he didn't get any help and is struggling now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 The criteria for legal aid is very tight for "normal" people. I do know some years ago an employee of mine applied and was refused mainly because he had a bank account and thereby access to a bank loan. Its encouraging to see that the fund has reached 40% of the total required, I do hope that more contribute as a sign of solidarity with the old chap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedsanity Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 If he doesn't have the money to pay then they take him to court and he fills in a means testing form, he then makes an offer of £10 a month or similar. The point is a court can not take away someone's liberty for not being able to pay,they can only do it if they refuse to pay when they are able. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loriusgarrulus Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 Donated as a matter of principle. Hope these donations raise the full amount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timps Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 (edited) could he not have his costs reimbursed? http://www.courtroomadvice.co.uk/do-you-pay-court-costs-if-found-not-guilty.html For Crown court Defence cost orders to extend to a firm that doesn’t have a contract with the Legal Aid Agency you must first have applied for legal aid and be found ineligible. Even if he had done that, the legal aid would only cover specific legal aid rates which are far below what a good legal firm and barrister would charge leaving a massive short fall which could be a £30 k shortfall. The reason why he didn’t apply for legal aid in the first place is probably the exact same reason I wouldn’t for a case like this. If you are successful and get legal aid you are stuck with that firm who has a contract with the legal aid agency not necessarily the best firm for the job. To go with someone else you have to refuse legal aid which means you cannot claim afterwards. You get what you pay for, legal aid gets you graduates, inexperienced advocates who can only charge a fraction for their time compared to firms and people who are not under a legal aid contract. As I said earlier all right for shoplifting but I wouldn’t want to use them for this case if you want a chance to get off, you get what you pay for. For crown court if he had a £37,500 disposable income then you apply safe in the knowledge you get automatically refused, then you can use whatever firm you want and get a contribution at the end. Below that threshold you will get stuck with a firm or advocate who has a contract with the Legal Aid Agency which lowers the quality of legal representation due to financial restraint. Edited March 15, 2017 by timps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 if he was entitled to legal aid then he should have applied,how did he think he was going to cover his bill??? Broadly, unless you are on benefits you won't get it. I'd eat my pants if he was entitled to legal aid for this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.w. Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 Donated as a matter of principle. Hope these donations raise the full amount. + 1 done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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