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Was in Vancouver, Canada, recently.

Bars and restaurants display signs bolted to external walls and next to doors and windows which state No Smoking within xx feet of these openings. Penalty $$$$.

Where there's a will there's a way.

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the law says you have to be 4 metres from a door way if it's a club or a pub with door staff let them know, our door team take this very seriously lot of places don't care should be enforced tho, nothing worse then people blowing smoke in your face when you don't smoke

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since the smoking ban , most pubs local to me have closed(it killed trade instantly) , in the very near future , all of the people that complained about smokers , will be able to sit in the comfort of their own smoke free home and twiddle their thumbs , as all the pubs will be closed.

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I think you will find the breathaliser was more responsible for the demise of pubs, certainly in the country.

total rubbish smoking ban killed the pub trade

 

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Why do non smokers go out side with there smoking friends then moan it's cold you lot asked for the bloody ban in the first place

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Since the smoking ban, I often go to pubs and clubs and have to push my way through people smoking right outside an entrance, what is it with these people? Why not just move to the side and think of others, it actually puts me off wanting to go in sometimes.

 

Its up there with blocking someones drive. lol.

I know what you mean,it's the same when you come out of shop or anywhere it's all you can smell in the air.I hate it, their is a young girl at work who must spend ages each morning getting ready.Always dress to the nines,but when she passes my desk I could almost vomit.

I was fishing last week down wind from a Guy who was smoking one after the other.After an hour I packed up and went home.Wish they would ban it completely stinking habit.

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since the smoking ban , most pubs local to me have closed(it killed trade instantly) , in the very near future , all of the people that complained about smokers , will be able to sit in the comfort of their own smoke free home and twiddle their thumbs , as all the pubs will be closed.

 

nonsense, allowing supermarkets and corner shops to sell it killed pubs, ludicrous rates and 4 quid a pint is killing pubs, its always the price that kills things off, unless you are the genius that is tim martin, who can buck the trend as he can supply on an industrial scale.

 

I wouldn't take the smoking ban any further, its enough, I just don't like being made to feel unwelcome at the door of any place, and I don't like having to navigate around people just to get in a door.

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Pubs shutting due to smoking ban is nonsense! So the majority of the uk population must be smokers if pubs are closing.If they allowed smoking in pubs wouldn't they still close because the none smokers would stop going in.

It's now anti social to smoke as well as costing the NHS (UK tax payers)billions.Ive never smoked so don't have understand how hard it is to stop.I know my friend was spending something like £280 a month on them before he died(lung cancer@ 55).Although he kept going on about 'I could buy brand new car with that ' he never stopped.Even a chart on his kitchen wall reminding him on what he spent daily,weekly,monthly,annually could break the habit.

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I went to Scotland quite a few years ago on a stag week. We walked into the first pub and it was dead, the land lady said hello realised where we were from and said it's only quiet as the smoking ban killed the trade. She went on and told us Allan used to sit in that corner with 4 of his friends place bets on the horses whilst drinking and smoking, he now has a conservatory where he and his friends now sit and do the same.

She said once the smoking ban comes in in England you will notice the same trend, pubs closing right left and centre, boy was she right. Yes it's a lot cheaper to drink in the house but it's not the same. As for smoking it doesn't bother me either way and I'm 38 and never ever smoked.

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i can't help but think if they were to allow "smoking only pubs" which barred kids and anyone under the legal age to smoke they would all be empty, times change, no doubt the ban had an affect on pubs but the following recession not long after the ban really killed off any pubs that were struggling, local to us we now have a few very good pubs that do really well and just a few stragglers left which are surviving but only just.

The good ones that do well have good food, great beer from local breweries are kid friendly at the right times and have nice inviting summer beer gardens with well placed smoking areas for those that wish to partake, the survivors contain the last few smokers who stand out the front coughing, wheezing and moaning about "old times" and immigrants then return to "their" seat next to the sticky bar.

i was a smoker before the ban but had always planned to give up when i turned 30 which for me coincided with the ban, i remember well the sickly stench of my clothes the next morning after a night at the pub and am glad we will never go back to that.

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Australia have it right. Most beaches are now non smoking, there are strict limits on how far away from entrances to buildings smokers have to be. The same applies to play grounds and parks.

It's pretty disgusting walking on a sandy beach and getting a fag butt between the toes.

West Coast America is the same, vehemently anti smoking.

I almost gag on the smell of cigarette smoke entering some places over here. A mate of mine is always bitching he's skint but smokes 30 a day at a cost of £15.

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A few things have killed the boozer trade, especially for a lot of the licensee pubs.

 

1. Smoking Ban - Not a massive impact i dont think

2. Increase in prices due to tax

3. The generation that now want a pub and club all in one

4. Lack of footfall for pubs further out the main drags

5. Inability to keep up with managed pubs in terms of promotions and bulk purchase power

6. Lack of food or cheap food (see above)

7. Cost of ancillaries - Sky Sports, Insurance for play areas and the such

 

I was speaking to someone the other day that said unless you do food you are finished.

 

 

Back on topic a gym i used to go to shared its building with a big multinational office block above, the building owners had moved its smoking area a good 4m away from the main door to comply with the new rules, the wind only blew one way and blew all the smoke back into the gym!

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just to add i think ecigs will soon go the same way, alright its not like fag smoke and some smell nice but its the personal space issue, its like farting in an enclosed space and saying its ok because it didn't smell that bad!

 

A friend of mine has just gone back to smoking baccy because the e-liquid is too expensive!! And after six months without a fag i was gobsmacked!

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total rubbish smoking ban killed the pub trade

 

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Why do non smokers go out side with there smoking friends then moan it's cold you lot asked for the bloody ban in the first place

Not just the smoking ban, this was a small part of it but cheap booze from supermarkets, the changing face of drinking where youngsters go to clubs rather than pubs.

 

I find it amusing that people stand around breathing in the **** from fags etc but complain if you pass wind next to them? Which is worse for your health.

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nonsense, allowing supermarkets and corner shops to sell it killed pubs, ludicrous rates and 4 quid a pint is killing pubs, its always the price that kills things off, unless you are the genius that is tim martin, who can buck the trend as he can supply on an industrial scale.

 

I wouldn't take the smoking ban any further, its enough, I just don't like being made to feel unwelcome at the door of any place, and I don't like having to navigate around people just to get in a door.

maybe youre right , maybe the dozens of pub landlords , and hundreds of pub customers that ive spoken to were all wrong.

 

my experience is this.

 

when the smoking ban started , my relative and several of his friends , built their own clubhouse , free pool , free darts , free jukebox , free internet , smoke as much as you like . the clubhouse is thriving but the pub closed as it lost its high spending customers . ill admit that every pub customer doesnt have the finances to build their own clubhouse though.

 

personally , i cant stand anyone near me that stinks of booze , it makes me want to vomit to be quite honest , i could whine and moan about it i suppose , but i prefer to just accept it as part of life.

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I enjoy going to the pub vastly more since the smoking ban.

 

I don't as there isn't one within walking distance of home, but in the last place I lived I tried to go for a pint at least once a week. No way in hell would I have done that pre smoking ban.

 

I used to go for more than one pint but the prices have got silly. I went home two years back and met a mate, two pints and a packet of crisps was over a tenner.


maybe youre right , maybe the dozens of pub landlords , and hundreds of pub customers that ive spoken to were all wrong.

 

my experience is this.

 

when the smoking ban started , my relative and several of his friends , built their own clubhouse , free pool , free darts , free jukebox , free internet , smoke as much as you like . the clubhouse is thriving but the pub closed as it lost its high spending customers . ill admit that every pub customer doesnt have the finances to build their own clubhouse though.

 

personally , i cant stand anyone near me that stinks of booze , it makes me want to vomit to be quite honest , i could whine and moan about it i suppose , but i prefer to just accept it as part of life.

 

I suspect you have hit the nail on the head, those people who enjoy it enough to throw large amounts of money at smoking are also the ones likely to spend large amounts drinking. Those of us less inclined to smoke are perhaps also more moderate in our drinking habits.

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e-cigs should be welcome everywhere, they are a genius replacement for tobacco, until proved otherwise.

 

As I said earlier, wetherspoons show the way with pubs, they have 900 now, and are opening all the time, I can have a decent burger meal for 4 incl a pint for under 30 quid. £6.95 x 4.

 

people take the mickey out of it, but I have never had a bad experience, plus camra think they are very good aswell.

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just to add i think ecigs will soon go the same way, alright its not like fag smoke and some smell nice but its the personal space issue, its like farting in an enclosed space and saying its ok because it didn't smell that bad!

 

A friend of mine has just gone back to smoking baccy because the e-liquid is too expensive!! And after six months without a fag i was gobsmacked!

I can not see were he is coming from saying vaping is costing him more lets say you got a 30ml bottle for around £10 and vaped about 3ml a day so 10 days makes it a pound a day, not sure what fags are these days as i stopped smoking almost 3years ago.

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A few things have killed the boozer trade, especially for a lot of the licensee pubs.

 

1. Smoking Ban - Not a massive impact i dont think

2. Increase in prices due to tax

3. The generation that now want a pub and club all in one

4. Lack of footfall for pubs further out the main drags

5. Inability to keep up with managed pubs in terms of promotions and bulk purchase power

6. Lack of food or cheap food (see above)

7. Cost of ancillaries - Sky Sports, Insurance for play areas and the such

 

 

You forgot the change in licencing laws that effectively banned live music - even down to the pub piano (as an aside this was pushed through in 2003 by teflon tony with the backing of the Scottish MPs whose constituents this did not effect)

 

We would go Twice a week before this.

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