Thought provoking article.

[Velocette]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4340290/Truth-t-like-says-KATIE-HOPKINS.html

 

I know its only the Daily Mail,,but it does echo a deal of what I've read in the American press. Bemused that we can let this happen.

[anser2]

I would not take any notice of anything printed in the Daily mail. The paper contradicts its self every other day. Yesterday I blamed Sadiq Khan for not speaking about the London Horror , today it complains because he did speak. You cant win ether way. 50 years ago we were going through much worse terrorism with the IRA than we are with muslims. Not that I hold any support for muslims on the contary , but things need to be kept in balance , something the daily mail does not know how to do. We seem to have forggoten the madman who acted in London is not a immigrant from abroad. He was born and raised in the UK and while I do not know for sure , but with his birth surname of Russel it very much sounds like his father was white British rather than Asian. Russel is hardly a Asian name. Just the Daily Mail jumping on the anti immigrant bandwagon. I never pay any attention to anything I read in any newspapers as they are all bias to the right or left and do not lose any sleep over the article. On the other hand the UK does need to clamp down with an iron hand on any terriorist actions and their supporters.

[12gauge82]

I don't see that article as helping anything other than the extremist cause to further devide us, which leads to more hatred and ultimately more attacks.

[yod dropper]

The BBC had reported him as being born Adrian Elms. They are now saying he was born Adrian Russell Ajao.

[Rewulf]

I would not take any notice of anything printed in the Daily mail. The paper contradicts its self every other day. Yesterday I blamed Sadiq Khan for not speaking about the London Horror , today it complains because he did speak. You cant win ether way. 50 years ago we were going through much worse terrorism with the IRA than we are with muslims. Not that I hold any support for muslims on the contary , but things need to be kept in balance , something the daily mail does not know how to do. We seem to have forggoten the madman who acted in London is not a immigrant from abroad. He was born and raised in the UK and while I do not know for sure , but with his birth surname of Russel it very much sounds like his father was white British rather than Asian. Russel is hardly a Asian name. Just the Daily Mail jumping on the anti immigrant bandwagon. I never pay any attention to anything I read in any newspapers as they are all bias to the right or left and do not lose any sleep over the article. On the other hand the UK does need to clamp down with an iron hand on any terriorist actions and their supporters.

 

Make your mind up.

It does not matter where he came from ,or what colour he was.

What matters is why he did it.

To indiscriminately mow down pedestrians of ALL nationalities,all religions and colours is the work of a sick mind.

If Mr Khan in his capacity as Mayor, thinks this is simply part of living in a big city, he needs to reconsider his position.

If Katie Hopkins wants to have a rant about it, let her, free speech works both ways.

For this man to do what he did, he needed to be radicalised / brainwashed , call it what you will.

But he didnt do it to himself did he ?

Make of that what you will.

[Gordon R]

Rewulf - agreed.

[Bigbob]

The fact it was reported by kate Hopkins is enough for me she reveals in controversy

[Scully]

She raises some very valid points in my opinion.

[wandringstar]

This trend of daily mail bashing has irritated me for ages, its been sown by the left. Its a full paper, with much to read, categories for everyone, but the herd always does as it is told in the end. For the record, I read the daily express, I suppose that is also a hitler rag. What a lot of silly people there are in this country, told to hate certain papers, and they do as they are told.

 

Mind you, since being on here since December, the spelling and punctuation I have seen, really does make things add up. Oh I suppose that's a grammar Nazi now, no just a certain standard you would expect, that's all.

 

Whinge over.

 

 

[Wb123]

I guess it all depends how you define failure of multiculturalism.

 

Did importing massive amounts of cheap labour provide economic prosperity, my understanding is yes.

 

How much is a fair price for a terrorist attack?

[old'un]

She raises some very valid points in my opinion.

+1

[12gauge82]

I guess it all depends how you define failure of multiculturalism.

 

Did importing massive amounts of cheap labour provide economic prosperity, my understanding is yes.

 

How much is a fair price for a terrorist attack?

That's an interesting way of putting it that I haven't heard before, now that is thought provoking! Edited March 24, 2017 by 12gauge82

[old'un]

I don't see that article as helping anything other than the extremist cause to further devide us, which leads to more hatred and ultimately more attacks.

Think we are already divided, look at the Brexit vote.

 

The UK is not a harmonious integrated society, what we have are societies within society.

[Newbie to this]

I guess it all depends how you define failure of multiculturalism.

 

Did importing massive amounts of cheap labour provide economic prosperity, my understanding is yes.

 

How much is a fair price for a terrorist attack?

I wouldn't say economic prosperity, I'd say the complete opposite. Wages came down, prices for everything went up, houses became unattainable for people on average wages, due to a housing shortage.

 

And NO price is fair for a terrorist attack.

 

If you really think there is a fair price then you are a part of the problem

Edited March 24, 2017 by Newbie to this

[12gauge82]

Think we are already divided, look at the Brexit vote.

 

The UK is not a harmonious integrated society, what we have are societies within society.

I couldn't agree more, the problem is we've already let these people in, these people have now had children who are being radicalised by isolated community's within our society, we've gone past being able to do anything about these people other than trying to make them feel included, what's the alternative? We can't 'send them home' they were born here, how would you separate the minority of extremists from the vast majority of decent people? Articles like this only devide community's further, the problems already here, we need to minimise it as best we can is my point.

[12gauge82]

I wouldn't say economic prosperity, I'd say the complete opposite. Wages came down, prices for everything went up, houses became unattainable for people on average wages, due to a housing shortage.

 

And NO price is fair for a terrorist attack.

 

If you really think there is a fair price then you are a part of the problem

I don't for a second think he meant there was an acceptable price for a terrorist attack, that was the point his post was making.

[Newbie to this]

I don't for a second think he meant there was an acceptable price for a terrorist attack, that was the point his post was making.

Possibly, maybe I read it wrong

[Twistedsanity]

Think we are already divided, look at the Brexit vote.

 

The UK is not a harmonious integrated society, what we have are societies within society.

Divided we are all easier to manipulate and we are divided

[das]

She raises some very valid points in my opinion.

 

I agree entirely, time to wake up.

[Wb123]

Possibly, maybe I read it wrong

I dont know if there is a fair price, but I have yet to see a model to remove the threat that seems preferable to the status quo.

 

Nothing is without cost. Wages were too high to maintain exports and immigration bought a stay of execution whilst the economy was rejigged. Immigration served a purpose and played its part putting us in the the G7 for the last however many years. If the alternative was a greece like state and no terrorism i know which I would take.

 

The problem ultimately though is the issue of unintended consequences. Nobody knew second generation immigrants would get their knickers in a twist about unpredictable events in the middle east fifty years in the future. Who knows how the poles will be playing in fifty years...?

Edited March 24, 2017 by Wb123

[Pistol p]

I dare not say anything, I'd probably get another warning or banned for stating facts that point to the truth.

Best put my crystal ball away tonight....

[Wb123]

I dare not say anything, I'd probably get another warning or banned for stating facts that point to the truth.

Best put my crystal ball away tonight....

Get stuck in. I take the fact that i have not yet been banned as a suggestion i probably dont take part enough.

[deadeye18]

Great article,spot on!

[Mice!]

I haven't read a paper all week, I pretty much knew what would be in there, I train with a few Muslim guys doing Judo, we smash each other into the mat smile shake hands and go home, as someone has said it's the them and us mentality which divides everyone and I certainly don't see a quick fix.

[old man]

Divided we are all easier to manipulate and we are divided

Yes, just like the shooting community which is why we are such a pushover?

 

Common sense and proportional responses to situations all seem to be derided to a point where a sensible discussion about serious issues is impossible?