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Get an ex MOD/Govt. small key safe fitted with a Manifoil combination lock. Can be found on a well known auction site from time to time, but not usually all that cheap ..... but ....... it is a proper HIGH GRADE lock and box. This is from a commercial ex govt supplier http://www.modlimited.co.uk/buy/product_info.php?cPath=150_152&products_id=16009&osCsid=9lklo51gojnt5g8a09ksfiun94 - but should be cheaper at auction sites.

If you choose to go for a basic commercial item, check the FEO is OK with that type. Mine wasn't keen when I suggested the idea before I got the ex MOD type.

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Before you buy a safe check YouTube with the name of the one you are looking at as I was asked to open a large safe for a local business this weekend, all ready with my grinder I checked YouTube first and found a video on opening it with a wood chisel. 15 seconds is all it took.

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The request was for a combination key safe. I used to keep the keys 'on me' and it was pointed out that at night they were on my bedside table, when I was wearing different clothes they might get left out etc. Hence I got a combination key safe. However, the majority I have seen are not very strong/secure. 4 digit 'thumbwheel' types are known to be easily defeated by 'manipulation' - and can often have the combination found simply by putting slight pressure on the opening bolt and carefully rotating the thumbwheels and 'feeling' when there is a slight change in movement. The push button types are harder to defeat like that, but many have simple plastic parts inside. Most are also made by die casting - and the metal used is soft and would not withstand a hammer attack or grinder for any time. The best I have found are the ex MOD ones as in the link I posted above. The boxes are steel plate, strongly constructed and welded all round and the hinge is fully protected. The Manifoil lock is complex and hard to defeat either by 'manipulation', or brute force. That is why they were the government standard for many years.

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Concealment is somethimes better than security, as most key safes are defeat-able with a few blows of a hammer and most security cabinets will not stand up to a portable angle grinder attack for more than 60 seconds.

 

Not all safes look like a safe.

 

You can have books, cans, clocks, sockets, wardrobe, drawers, mirror, etc

 

Pick something inconspicuous that you already have in your home, where a thief will not be focused.

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Concealment is somethimes better than security, as most key safes are defeat-able with a few blows of a hammer and most security cabinets will not stand up to a portable angle grinder attack for more than 60 seconds.

 

Not all safes look like a safe.

 

You can have books, cans, clocks, sockets, wardrobe, drawers, mirror, etc

 

Pick something inconspicuous that you already have in your home, where a thief will not be focused.

 

This is my preference.

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I advocate the old blue Peter biscuit Tin buried in the garden and a Peppa Pig pirate treasure map.......

 

In all seriousness, the law states that 'reasonable precautions ' should be taken in regards to your keys, so the 'on my person at all times' is a little unrealistic/ unachievable unless you never sleep or wash :-)

 

Was told Recently by my FEO that a combination cheap keysafe type thing is ok, as it's casual access that needs to be stopped- previously mentioned, a £60 battery angle grinder is going to get into your cabinet anyway

 

 

Sorry, had to edit it as even my normally poor standard of English language had failed me- too many early starts I think....

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Get a key safe, mount it on the wall and then put your safe keys under the cushions on the sofa (or somewhere equally random).

 

Anyone breaking in will see the key safe, think that the keys are in there and will spend time trying to get into it, if they do they'll be massively disappointed!

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Yeah, I wouldn't bother going all Mod over it or getting yourself in a lather.

 

My British Standard approved Brattonsound cabinet needed some extra holes in it to provide extra bolt anchor points.

 

A sharp drill bit went through it like hot butter. Why would anyone waste anytime looking for keys or trying to defeat a combination lock key safe when with a cordless drill or grinder and they'd be in it in no more than 2 minutes (less with a disc grinder as has been pointed out).

 

I haven't tried but I reckon a decent jemmy would fold the door in too in no time.

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I too was advised to keep them in a safe, so got one, but it was only big enough to take one of the keys, and that only just goes in. I keep one key in it and the other very carefully concealed. Any thief will think both keys are in it, and even if they get in to the safe, is hopefully unlikely to want to potentially spend a lot of time searching the entire house for the other one. Oh, and the gun cabinet itself is pretty difficult to find too, you could be stood next to it and not know it.

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I had a battery push button combination safe and after watching a u tube video found I could open it quite easily with no tools at all when I tried it, I wouldn't go for a key safe idea at least unless it's hidden Well, it's not realistic to carry them at all times best place to keep keys is somewhere where nobody would ever think of looking, I'm very security conscious so much so I once cooked a bunch of keys along with my dinner 😂 long story

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Get an ex MOD/Govt. small key safe fitted with a Manifoil combination lock. Can be found on a well known auction site from time to time, but not usually all that cheap ..... but ....... it is a proper HIGH GRADE lock and box. This is from a commercial ex govt supplier http://www.modlimited.co.uk/buy/product_info.php?cPath=150_152&products_id=16009&osCsid=9lklo51gojnt5g8a09ksfiun94 - but should be cheaper at auction sites.

If you choose to go for a basic commercial item, check the FEO is OK with that type. Mine wasn't keen when I suggested the idea before I got the ex MOD type.

Why would your FEO express an opinion on the quality of key safe you use? There is no requirement to use a key safe on a SGC. Is there a requirement for FAC?

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