oowee Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 You must read theHO Office guide for yourself. It says that AOLQ should be on all tickets. I cant see why you cannot ask for it to be put on, The guidance says it should be given. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrix's rifle Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 You must read theHO Office guide for yourself. It says that AOLQ should be on all tickets. I cant see why you cannot ask for it to be put on, The guidance says it should be given. I did ask for it,they wouldn't give it to me. Thanks for the link I may mither them tomorrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 I did ask for it,they wouldn't give it to me. Thanks for the link I may mither them tomorrow I had the same but asked before this guidance. I will insist that it is added when I go for my open ticket later. Is it right that there is a right of appeal to refusals for variations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 (edited) So my 223 is only conditioned for fox on a closed ticket, your saying I can shoot crows or deer where legal? (cwd and mutjac in england/Wales and roe in scotland) if that's the case, where does it say? I've always been told to go by what's on your ticket, my says fox on one and vermin on the other so that's all I've done. I'd love to shoot crows with the 223 because on one per you can't get close enough with the hmr Are forces only giving AOLQ on an open ticket ? Mines been open for years and guess its just Gloucestershire's policy not to word this. AOLQ does get interesting when you have a .22 centrefire,it certainly throws out any extra conditions a force may put on your license to shoot deer. One thing has to be remembered and that is the home office guidelines are just that, surely its law to obey what's on your FAC, the police put those conditions on, if you ignore those conditions its the police who will revoke your license. There will always be the right to appeal, but is it worth it, you may not win, just a friendly chat with the FEO will always be the best solution. Edited April 11, 2017 by Redgum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 If you ever get caught doing something that maybe wrong. Just point the court's to PW. You'll be fine. ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetter Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 Mines a closed ticket Redgum and I have AOLQ on all my rifles including FAC air in Thames Valley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted April 13, 2017 Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 (edited) I had the same but asked before this guidance. I will insist that it is added when I go for my open ticket later. Is it right that there is a right of appeal to refusals for variations?This is where it gets stupid though, we are in the same force area and I got aolq on both my cf's and vermin on my rf's. What was the reason for not having aolq on your ticket? Redgum, Open or restricted the aolq has no bearing on that at all. Edited April 13, 2017 by ShootingEgg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valley boy Posted April 13, 2017 Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 got it on mine, 308, 243 and rimfire`s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good shot? Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 (edited) Recently renewed my open fac and added .222 cf. Have .22LR conditioned for zeroing,vermin and AOLQ. " .17hmr " " " " FOX and AOLQ. now also have .222 c/f conditioned for zeroing and Fox. Also asked for AOLQ and vermin at renewal for .222 and was refused A.O.L.Q because I have 'gone up a calibre'. My questions are why should going up a calibre deny me AOLQ for the .222 and would shooting Corvids and rabbits with .222 contravene my licence conditions? Having now received my licence(Mersyside) I am intrigued to know why and what if.... Edit.. Having also now not got vermin conditioned for my c/f I have sent an email to FEO for clarificatin and reasoning, will post response when I get one. Edited August 30, 2017 by Good shot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 (edited) Good-shot Well your ticket states zero and fox so by that then yes you would be. Even though alq should just be there.. Az the calibre is suitable to do the job. I have 243 as my first cf and have target deer and alq Edited August 29, 2017 by ShootingEgg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flynny Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 My renewal dropped on the mat this morning all my CF's are AOLQ , (GMP) Flynny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 I had AOLQ on ALL my rifles, and got the renewal about 4 months ago, I still have AOLQ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super sharp shooter Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 I have it on all three rifles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 Recently renewed my open fac and added .222 cf. Have .22LR conditioned for zeroing,vermin and AOLQ. " .17hmr " " " " FOX and AOLQ. now also have .222 c/f conditioned for zeroing and Fox. Asked for AOLQ at renewal for .222 and was refused because I have 'gone up a calibre'. My questions are why should going up a calibre deny me AOLQ for the .222 and would shooting Corvids and rabbits with .222 contravene my licence conditions? Having now received my licence(Mersyside) I am intrigued to know why and what if.... So what did they say when you asked, "why should going up a calibre deny me AOLQ for the .222" ? If its only conditioned for zeroing and fox then that is all you can do with it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshMike Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 Good old Police Forces...make it up as you go along. I am lucky in that I have an open ticket with AOLQ for both the .17 HMRs and .243's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 The way I read it There is a difference between asking for a calibre for a reason and what is legal. The table refers to the guideline calibre's for particular target species. It does not say that lesser calibres cannot be used only that they would not normally be sanctioned for that quarry. They are all legal as there is nothing in law to say otherwise. I guess the risk is if you have a wounded animal you are more open to a suggestion of cruelty if you use less than the recommended calibre. 13.25 sets out; 22 Rimfires are generally considered as having insufficient muzzle energy to be used against foxes in most circumstances. However, these could be suitable for use at short range by experienced persons, and may be permitted in certain situations such as around farm buildings or paddocks. It is for the operator to ensure that the quarry species are shot at the appropriate range with the appropriate ammunition to achieve a humane kill. Suggesting that if you had a situation of foxes around buildings you might be issued a .22rf for fox as a special situation. Not that I think I would want to use a .22rf anywhere near a building. Why not? I get called to deal with lots in peoples back gardens, surprisingly often in turn of the century terrace homes back gardens, with pocket handkerchief gardens. I shoot many more foxes with rimfires, including .22LR than centrefires. Often round farm houses, country houses, stables, farm buildings, barns, chicken coops, etc., etc., as well. As with all things shooting, risk assess and use the most appropriate calibre/ammo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 (edited) The penultimate sentence of Post #13 touches on one reason why this should remain. There's a piece about it in the latest NGO magazine. Edited August 30, 2017 by wymberley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belly47 Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 I put in for a variation in Kent for a .222 and it was just added with the same conditions as my my .22lr and hmr. all have fox, vermin and any other lawful quarry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savhmr Posted September 5, 2017 Report Share Posted September 5, 2017 (edited) Just to correct some of the observations earlier on this thread, and good news for some on here: Gloucestershire are NOW reintroducing AOLQ to come into line with other forces and HO guidance. Common sense prevails at long last. Edited September 5, 2017 by Savhmr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee. Posted September 5, 2017 Report Share Posted September 5, 2017 Ive got AOLQ on all rifles with Gwent so im covered for everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 Ive got AOLQ on all rifles with Gwent so im covered for everything. Me too, with South Wales police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 Me too, with South Wales police. AVS do alq too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longstrider Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 (edited) Collected my new tickets this week. Had put in for a variation to buy a .204 for foxing as my FAC stated that I was not allowed to use my .270 for this quarry. Not only did I get the .204 added, but they've put down 'Deer and 'AOLQ' for the .270 as well. No rush to spend my saved-up rum tokens on a new gun then ... Edited September 14, 2017 by Longstrider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshMike Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 Collected my new tickets this week. Had put in for a variation to buy a .204 for foxing as my FAC stated that I was not allowed to use my .270 for this quarry. Not only did I get the .204 added, but they've put down 'Deer and 'AOLQ' for the .270 as well. No rush to spend my saved-up rum tokens on a new gun then ... Makes a lot of sense not allowing a .270 for fox as you cant guarantee being able to identify that is was a fox once a 130 grain soft point has done its work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootgun Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 I got no mention of ''deer'' or any other species for that matter, on my ticket. All calibers are granted for ALQ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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