Vince Green Posted April 26, 2017 Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 (edited) As the chart above shows lead has not gone up, it peaked in 2008 and there was a resulting dip in 2009, that's called the bounce, but other than that its been very stable. If you smooth out the high and low from 2008 and 2009 it hasn't really changed in ten years. So when your RFD says its the price of lead, the war in Iraq/Syria/Afganistan, or what ever you can say that's rubbish, lead is virtually half the price it was in 2008, and see how he answers that Edited April 26, 2017 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert Posted April 26, 2017 Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 Is lead the only thing in shells? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granett Posted April 26, 2017 Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 As the chart above shows lead has not gone up, it peaked in 2008 and there was a resulting dip in 2009, that's called the bounce, but other than that its been very stable.Where's it from and what's it of? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornfree Posted April 26, 2017 Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 Is lead the only thing in shells? No the other half is 24 carat gold, going by the prices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted April 26, 2017 Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 (edited) Where's it from and what's it of? Just a commodities trading site www.tradingeconomics.com Edited April 26, 2017 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granett Posted April 27, 2017 Report Share Posted April 27, 2017 I'm no expert but I found a different graph that seems to agree with Umney's comment: http://www.indexmundi.com/commodities/?commodity=lead&months=240¤cy=gbp You can see from mine what's being measured - cost of lead in gbp over time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salopian Posted April 27, 2017 Report Share Posted April 27, 2017 See post number 4. I think the first cartridge manufacturer to brand a cartridge GREEDY will make a killing , we will all enjoy throwing those empties in the bin whilst fuming about a missed clay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilts#Dave Posted April 27, 2017 Report Share Posted April 27, 2017 Someone must work in/know the cost price your average gun shop pays for cartridges and the profit margins? I've been told so many times how 'it's barely worth bothering with cartridges for what we make'......but I never believe it ! I remember working on a farm near Witney in Oxfordshire and going into the local gunshop for the guy to try and sell me their own rebranded budget game/pigeon load (hull chevron loaded in 6 shot). What an awesome shell, and the price.....£74/thousand!! This was in 2000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted April 27, 2017 Report Share Posted April 27, 2017 Someone must work in/know the cost price your average gun shop pays for cartridges and the profit margins? I've been told so many times how 'it's barely worth bothering with cartridges for what we make'......but I never believe it ! I remember working on a farm near Witney in Oxfordshire and going into the local gunshop for the guy to try and sell me their own rebranded budget game/pigeon load (hull chevron loaded in 6 shot). What an awesome shell, and the price.....£74/thousand!! This was in 2000. Between £7.50 and £10 a slab Myself and 3 others have been in touch with a top British manufacturer in the past couple of weeks about buying a pallet load ( 26000 or 104 slabs ) and we would have a total saving of just over £800 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted April 27, 2017 Report Share Posted April 27, 2017 (edited) Between £7.50 and £10 a slab Myself and 3 others have been in touch with a top British manufacturer in the past couple of weeks about buying a pallet load ( 26000 or 104 slabs ) and we would have a total saving of just over £800 hello, thats 26 slabs each, 6,500 carts, each saving the cost of a 1000 at todays prices,( about £200 ) Edited April 27, 2017 by oldypigeonpopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted April 27, 2017 Report Share Posted April 27, 2017 Between £7.50 and £10 a slab Myself and 3 others have been in touch with a top British manufacturer in the past couple of weeks about buying a pallet load ( 26000 or 104 slabs ) and we would have a total saving of just over £800 Don't know about these things - just a former hydraulic engineer used to working at about c20% GPM dependent upon order size for system design/build. Would these highlighted figures be considered a fair margin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted April 27, 2017 Report Share Posted April 27, 2017 Don't know about these things - just a former hydraulic engineer used to working at about c20% GPM dependent upon order size for system design/build. Would these highlighted figures be considered a fair margin?[/quote From some of the price lists I have seen yes. The more expensive the shell. The bigger the profit margin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted April 27, 2017 Report Share Posted April 27, 2017 Makes me smile some of this, why is profit such a foul word for some of you? Do you work for free try asking a trades man to do work for minimum wage hourly rate? Or go buy some car parts and see the profit the main dealers have on them. For cartridges it has all been small profit but sell a lot, just may be that business model is in jeapody at this time their is certainly a lot of competition in the market given the number of different makes available to us. Both the manufacture and the retailer need to make a profit or they will not stay in business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted April 27, 2017 Report Share Posted April 27, 2017 (edited) Makes me smile some of this, why is profit such a foul word for some of you? Do you work for free try asking a trades man to do work for minimum wage hourly rate? Or go buy some car parts and see the profit the main dealers have on them. For cartridges it has all been small profit but sell a lot, just may be that business model is in jeapody at this time their is certainly a lot of competition in the market given the number of different makes available to us. Both the manufacture and the retailer need to make a profit or they will not stay in business. This as long it's fair. Edited April 27, 2017 by stevo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted April 27, 2017 Report Share Posted April 27, 2017 (edited) This as long it's fair. +1 We don't know how much Stevo and his mates paid, but working purely from the figures given - £800 saving and 1000 priced at £200, then that equates to just over a 15% GPM. That seems eminently fair to me with regard to the RFD profit. Cheap even. What we still don't know is the manufacturers' %s, but given the competition and unless they're working a cartel, which is doubtful, In view of Post #11, I also can't see what all the fuss is about. Edited April 27, 2017 by wymberley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.w. Posted April 27, 2017 Report Share Posted April 27, 2017 Makes me smile some of this, why is profit such a foul word for some of you? Do you work for free try asking a trades man to do work for minimum wage hourly rate? Or go buy some car parts and see the profit the main dealers have on them. For cartridges it has all been small profit but sell a lot, just may be that business model is in jeapody at this time their is certainly a lot of competition in the market given the number of different makes available to us. Both the manufacture and the retailer need to make a profit or they will not stay in business. + 1 Anyway nothing comes more expensive than the wife, I can live with the price of cartridges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodeer Posted April 27, 2017 Report Share Posted April 27, 2017 I worked for a big shop selling millions of carts yearly. We were very competitive on price and made 10% profit. After you've paid for them, moved them twice, kept them warm and dry, you really are making little! Cartridge manuafacters seem to all be pimping about in range rovers etc so better re think whose making the big profit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted April 27, 2017 Report Share Posted April 27, 2017 Someone mentioned the Chinese pushing lead prices up. Perhaps they're going to start making cartridges - we get everything else from them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted April 27, 2017 Report Share Posted April 27, 2017 Someone mentioned the Chinese pushing lead prices up. Perhaps they're going to start making cartridges - we get everything else from them! Well, they have been playing with gunpowder and fireworks for centuries longer than anyone else - a sort of natural progression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenholland Posted April 27, 2017 Report Share Posted April 27, 2017 we could have a cartridge account put a deposit down and pay monthly ?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted April 27, 2017 Report Share Posted April 27, 2017 That's disgusting As were the reasons given for the increases ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squinting shot Posted April 27, 2017 Report Share Posted April 27, 2017 It is due to BMW & Mercedes raising their prices . You really cannot expect Cartridge Company employees to drive Astra's or Mondeo's ?? A bloody total rip off . Sadly it is the young working family man who will ultimately suffer , by being unable to afford to shoot . Very greedy and shortsighted by the cartridge companies. We tighten our belts and graft to afford to shoot whilst others slacken theirs to make way for the corporate dinners and over indulgence . Totally agree as the above applies to me working hard and struggling to afford to shoot as family comes first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umney531 Posted April 27, 2017 Report Share Posted April 27, 2017 If vince green looks at London metal exchange he might see that leads at its highest in 2017 I only work in lead smelting so when the compney tell us the prices and we get a £2000 Yearly bonus we have to believe it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granett Posted April 28, 2017 Report Share Posted April 28, 2017 It looks like it's at about 150% of what it cost last summer. Without any pictures of these cartridge sellers and their new German whips I'd wager it's less about a cartridge cartel and more about production costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted April 28, 2017 Report Share Posted April 28, 2017 I was speaking to an employee of a large shooting ground about the benefits of buying a pallet of cartridges between a few mates. We were told for every pallet of cartridges bought you ended up saving the equivalent of a 1000 cartridges, so that worked out at roughly £190-£200 saving if you bought a pallet at a time..... Not a lot for pulling out a considerable sum to buy a pallet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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