Hendrix's rifle Posted April 29, 2017 Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 So, sat here as we speak waiting for a fox to come in and there's nothing but rabbit's. Everywhere, to the left, to the right infront and behind me. Why's that a problem? I'm sat with my 223 that's only conditioned for fox so can't shoot the bloody things. Another night tomorrow with the hmr me thinks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted April 29, 2017 Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 Not wishing to upset you but . . . I was at work on Friday afternoon at the B&Q depot in Doncaster and who should stroll past around 50 yards away but Charlie himself, bold as brass and cool as a cucumber, not at all bothered by the trucks, vans and people that were all over the place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spandit Posted April 29, 2017 Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 Odd condition, do you not have AOLQ? .223 bit overkill for bunnies anyway, if that makes you feel any better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrix's rifle Posted April 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 Not wishing to upset you but . . . I was at work on Friday afternoon at the B&Q depot in Doncaster and who should stroll past around 50 yards away but Charlie himself, bold as brass and cool as a cucumber, not at all bothered by the trucks, vans and people that were all over the place. Charlie is a no show so home time. Got told he rocks up at about 10 half 10 ish. There's one that winds my dogs up it runs past the back fence and sits in the street about 10 yards from my front door Odd condition, do you not have AOLQ? .223 bit overkill for bunnies anyway, if that makes you feel any better Unfortunately I don't have AOLQ however when my ticket goes back they are going to change it so the fella said. Yes it is a bit overkill but dead is dead. Would be nice to go foxing and shoot a rabbit or crow whilst out if I'm honest rather than carrying 2 rifles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrix's rifle Posted April 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 On way to the car about 40 yards from it decided have a quick call and who else at 20 yards away came flying in to me. Charlie. In such a place where there's a cottage directly behind it! Decided video it through the night vision instead as there was going to be no safe shot... atleast I saw him again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted April 29, 2017 Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 I've had an odd week for spotting wild life. There was the fox on Friday and then today leaving a different depot at around 11am I spotted a deer just across the road, behind a fence on some scrubland. Although wary it was clearly not particulary bothered by the traffic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted April 29, 2017 Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 Sounds like he is stalking you Hendrix!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 Thing is if ur out for a fox ur out for a fox, if u start shooting rabbits/crows with a cf the chances of a fox coming in are slimer. Even when we went lamping as a keeper u always had both rifles 22lr and 22cf but if foxing the 22 only came out at very end of night on ground we had already lamped, but if having a night on rabbits the 22cf was always there just in case u seen a fox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrix's rifle Posted April 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 I've had an odd week for spotting wild life. There was the fox on Friday and then today leaving a different depot at around 11am I spotted a deer just across the road, behind a fence on some scrubland. Although wary it was clearly not particulary bothered by the traffic. Saw 2 red does yesterday that looked quite scraggy standing on a bridleway whilst walking my dogs, seen a few badgers and obviously the elusive fox Sounds like he is stalking you Hendrix!!! Wouldn't be surprised Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrix's rifle Posted April 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 Thing is if ur out for a fox ur out for a fox, if u start shooting rabbits/crows with a cf the chances of a fox coming in are slimer. Even when we went lamping as a keeper u always had both rifles 22lr and 22cf but if foxing the 22 only came out at very end of night on ground we had already lamped, but if having a night on rabbits the 22cf was always there just in case u seen a fox Yeh I understand that part of it but if no fox shows up atleast I could bag some bunnys. Some of the rabbit's from last year got that used to the IR torch that they would run as soon as it was on them believe it or Not, might as well used a white light. When they start getting over 200 yards they just sat there but I wouldn't trust the hmr to do a good job on a windy night with winds blowing to about 20mph or so. Like I said if I was shooting in daylight it wouldn't be nice to sit at the top of a valley I shoot and pop crows or rabbit's off at 300-400 yards. Then take a Charlie if he appears. One piece of land I shoot has a load of trees in the middle of a field and unless sat on the next field up you can't get close enough to shoot anything. The way it is the banking rises above the trees quite steeply so would be nice to sit on the top of it. Best up to now was 3 shots in 1 hole at 250 with my home loads and have shot to 400 accurately on paper to try loads. Might talk to my geo Tuesday and get a 308 in at the same time for some reds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOXHUNTER1 Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 Am I missing something here .....who would know you shot the bunnies ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrix's rifle Posted May 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 Am I missing something here .....who would know you shot the bunnies ? No one would. If your going down that route I could shoot reds with it aswell... in fairness, I'd rather abide by the law and what it says on my ticket for peace of mind. Sometimes there's the odd person and if they were to phone the police and I have a bag of bunnys with my 223 in hand they will get a rough idea of what's gone on. I said to the firearms dep what if I want to shoot a rabbit as bait and they said you will have to take both rifles. Last time I spoke to them though I said I'm trusted for an fac so why can't I make my mind up to what I legally shoot. Long story short when I put in for a 308 or what I decide to put in for they will look in to it and put AOLQ on for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ips Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 Sorry for being thick but why could you not shoot rabbit ? What does conditioned mean and what is aolq ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 All other legal quarry, from reading lots of other posts, night shift benefit seems different police forces play by different rules. You would think it's common sense tho yes you can shoot that fox but not a rabbit?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ips Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 Thanks. Bloody stupid innit. So you have a licence to shoot fox with a specific gun but cant shoot rabbit, eh 😞 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrix's rifle Posted May 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 Thanks. Bloody stupid innit. So you have a licence to shoot fox with a specific gun but cant shoot rabbit, eh 😞 That pretty much sums it up... I asked them about the safety of taking 2 rifles on my own, 1 for rabbit and 1 for fox and they said it's up to me to make that choice... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ips Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 Doesn't make sense its not like your taking a rabbit out with a 50cal Barrett 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshMike Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 Am I missing something here .....who would know you shot the bunnies ? Typical response from a Geordie.....some of us are law abiding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suburban shooter Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 I'm missing something too don't shoot the foxes and there won't be as many bunnies. Contraversial from a shooter but hey ho ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39TDS Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 I'm missing something too don't shoot the foxes and there won't be as many bunnies. Contraversial from a shooter but hey ho ! Foxes make naff all difference to the rabbit population. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedsanity Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 So what would be the practical reason that you shouldn't shoot a bunny with a fox rifle? Apart from maybe making a bit of a rabbit ragu I can't see why the law would have an issue with this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good shot? Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 (edited) So what would be the practical reason that you shouldn't shoot a bunny with a fox rifle? Apart from maybe making a bit of a rabbit ragu I can't see why the law would have an issue with this? It is not the law but their wrong interpretation of it IMO. I am in exactly the same position with my .222 conditioned for fox only and no AOLQ. I am awaiting a response to an email to my FEO.(short staffed currently) Reasons given to date do not align with Home Office guide lines which they say they use.They would appear to use one guideline in isolation to all other guidlines even though if read in total they are out of order in not issuing AOLQ. On the point you raise they say it is overpowered and would not sanction it, this is true and Guidelines state this but it also says that AOLQ should be issued if 'good reason' has already been accepted, ie 'Fox' and that lesser quarry should be allowed and not restricted. Edited September 28, 2017 by Good shot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanj Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 Odd condition, do you not have AOLQ? .223 bit overkill for bunnies anyway, if that makes you feel any better Hmmm overkill. You dont get deader than dead....... .223 wouldnt leave much meat but that wouldnt matter if you were doing pest control Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimfire4969 Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 Hmmm overkill. You dont get deader than dead....... .223 wouldnt leave much meat but that wouldnt matter if you were doing pest control Dead is dead, no such thing as overkill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedsanity Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 Madness, I can understand them.not issuing a licence for a rifle that is more powerful than required for a certain species but to say you can't use a rifle you have legally for a lesser species is plain daft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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