Albert 888 Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 (edited) Never had any bother with lapua standard plus and eley sports,they are solids,I target shoot with them and I can say I have never had any fliers due to the bullet but down to me,not with other brands like Winchester subs I have had loads of unexplained fliers and nearly sold my rifle because of it,still got the rifle as I'm back on lapua standard plus. Edited May 1, 2017 by Albert 888 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 42 gr Winchesters, nothing gets up to complain, no bucking and weaving just dead. And at £9.00 a100 what's to complain about. at 90 a thou too deer 76 a thou u shud be paying cheers george Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigeon Shredder. Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 at 90 a thou too deer 76 a thou u shud be paying cheers george Pray tell where I can get them for that price, have looked every where for your price comparison but to no avail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 That's what I'd go with. And the RWS hv's are spot on in my anschutz. RFB agree that's also my view as per post #14 I also shoot Anschutz .22 rifles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Heron Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 RWS without question keep away from Remington a complete pile of ****. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Albert Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 No two rifle barrels will shoot one round the same. My CZ likes Wini subs and hates Eley subs. They tend to stop cycling or cycle inconsistently. It's a case of trial and error. As they are cheap enough, get a number of boxes and try them until you find one that suits your barrel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denboy Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 I like CCI subs, they group well and I usually get 2 flyers out of 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 I like CCI subs, they group well and I usually get 2 flyers out of 10 Personally, I wouldn't be very happy with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
achosenman Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 Personally, I wouldn't be very happy with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisheruk Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 Makes not a scrap of difference with my CZ, provided I use 40gr subs. Can't remember when I last had a flier. Squirrels and rabbits never notice the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denboy Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 Personally, I wouldn't be very happy with that. How many flyers do you get I'm my experience you always get the odd flyer with a 22lr as it's cheap ammo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12borebanger Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 In this dilemma myself, have picked up some Winnie's, eleys, and CCI, plus a new scope for some testing at the weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigeon Shredder. Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 So come on then George put your money where your mouth is, where are the cheap 42gr Winchester's that I can buy in Essex. Sxxt or bust matey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 How many flyers do you get I'm my experience you always get the odd flyer with a 22lr as it's cheap ammo A lot lot less than 20% that's for sure. I use ze German ammo vich iz more reliable it zeems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfireboy Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 A lot lot less than 20% that's for sure. I use ze German ammo vich iz more reliable it zeems Lol..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denboy Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 It was an estimate, I get the odd flyer, you can really put a percentage on it lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denboy Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 A lot lot less than 20% that's for sure. I use ze German ammo vich iz more reliable it zeems Can you give me a accurate percentage of flyers please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denboy Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 (edited) A lot lot less than 20% that's for sure. I use ze German ammo vich iz more reliable it zeems 22lr is a ok round but I prefer the 17hmr any day Edited May 5, 2017 by Denboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 I like CCI subs, they group well and I usually get 2 flyers out of 10 What exactly are you classing as a "flyer"? I've been shooting 22rimfire for more than 40 years both as smallbore target and sport shooting. I have shot tens of thousands of rounds in that time in the 3 22 rf rifles that I have and I have only ever had two misfires. When I am at the club there are many other shooters there with all sorts of different guns and different makes of ammunition. These competition cards require high levels of accuracy and consistency. The only really crud ammunition that I have ever had was Remington standard target and they just weren't consistant enough with some soft and others were a bit bangy. They would have been OK for hunting with but I just used up the thousand as barrel warmers. If you are getting 2 out of 10 then something is seriously wrong with the gun. 22 ammunition just isn't that unreliable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denboy Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 (edited) What exactly are you classing as a "flyer"? I've been shooting 22rimfire for more than 40 years both as smallbore target and sport shooting. I have shot tens of thousands of rounds in that time in the 3 22 rf rifles that I have and I have only ever had two misfires. When I am at the club there are many other shooters there with all sorts of different guns and different makes of ammunition. These competition cards require high levels of accuracy and consistency. The only really crud ammunition that I have ever had was Remington standard target and they just weren't consistant enough with some soft and others were a bit bangy. They would have been OK for hunting with but I just used up the thousand as barrel warmers. If you are getting 2 out of 10 then something is seriously wrong with the gun. 22 ammunition just isn't that unreliable. If you've been shooting for 40 years and you've shot 1million rounds, then you should know that a flyer is! It's not a Miss fire, a flyer to me is when a round that does not land within an inch target, it happens occasionally with 22lr rounds and for someone to say they have shot for 40 years and shot 1 million round and don't know what a flyer is, I smell BS! Or if someone lie about the consistency of the 22lr roundi smell BS! Edited May 5, 2017 by Denboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveo26 Posted May 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 The reason I started this thread is because when I zeroed my rifle the last time and subsequently whilst plinking I've noticed with my particular gun/ammo combo, a Browning T bolt and Winchester subs I was getting unexpected results namely a bullet landing way out 1"-1 1/2" from the rest of the group in a 3 shot group. But the really annoying thing was whilst rabbit shooting off a bi pod and feeling pretty stable am getting the odd inexplicable miss. I know everyone misses Im fantastic at it, but sometimes a shot feels like it shouldn't land an inch in front of a rabbits nose instead of at the base of his ears where I was aiming. It doesn't happen all the time, I shot three 3 shot groups and had one step right out. That's probably about average on Thursday evening whilst rabbit shooting I experienced one weird miss that felt like it shouldn't have out of probably 8 shots. I ended up with 5 rabbits and felt I had fairly missed 2 by misjudging the range. No excuses me not the gun. I hope that makes sense, This is with some older blue packaged winnie subs I've still got 200 of the newer ones to go through maybe they will be different? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 So come on then George put your money where your mouth is, where are the cheap 42gr Winchester's that I can buy in Essex. Sxxt or bust matey. ok sorry for late reply first i never mentioned essex the price to me for a batch of 5k was 450 is 90 per 1k inc vat which is about 76 to me as i would get the vat back anyway its richardsons garden centre cheers george Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveo26 Posted May 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 I decided to go for it. I bought all the subs I could As usual I should have expected the unexpected. I will list the ammo tested in my gun in order of best accuracy and add what I paid for them. CCI suppresser 45gr (copper plated) £6.60 a box,most accurate mostly clover leafing Magtech 40gr (CHEAP!) £3.50 very, very close second, also massive cavity hollow point ! Winchester 40gr £5.25 ok 1" groups RWS 40gr £6.40 slightly over 1" groups ELEY 40gr (squib round) £6.00 **** groups CCI segmented (2" groups) £7.75 badly **** groups Winchester 42gr (2 1/2" group) shocking groups, .410 pattern better This will be of no use to anyone else but I enjoyed myself! Cheers Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert 888 Posted May 9, 2017 Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 Did you clean your barrel when you changed ammo make. That's when I clean mine or when I have nothing better to do. I tend to put a few barrel warmers down mine before I shoot a target card. What's your trigger like is it constantly they same. Ie pull weight,creep and drag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveo26 Posted May 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 Did you clean your barrel when you changed ammo make. That's when I clean mine or when I have nothing better to do. I tend to put a few barrel warmers down mine before I shoot a target card. What's your trigger like is it constantly they same. Ie pull weight,creep and drag. No I didn't do anything with it except load different bullets in the mag. The trigger is ok, it's quite heavy but breaks clean enough. After reading up on the T bolt it seems they don't have a generally well liked trigger. If I used match ammo and shot it off sand bags I've no doubt I could improve things but that's never going to happen when I'm rabbit shooting. Cheers Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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