slaphead Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 I just, the other day, put in for a variation for a 17 HMR and today was talking to a chap I have known for only a short time but he was saying 1. He was struggling to get ammo in that caliber 2. That there have been issues with necks cracking and leaving the bullet in the barrel thus having the potential of making the next shot very dangerous. Now, Ive checked internet reviews and it seems that there is, or was, a problem with cases causing bullets to become left in the barrel. Was that just from some dodgy batches or is it still a current issue? If its still an issue Id probably change it to a hornet instead if the FEO will go for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 The shop I use says the availability problem is a lie He's never had a problem if he collects but hasn't had a problem delivered either . He has thousands in stock Split cases? I've not had one in around 2-3000 but a mate did and its an obvious sound when it happens. My advice is just buy one and use it I've had mine almost 5 years and love it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slaphead Posted May 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 That'll do for me!!... Just gotta wait for the variation now then Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted May 28, 2017 Report Share Posted May 28, 2017 Similar to Team Tractor. I have owned a 17HMR since they were introduced, in fact I had the first shipped to my Dealer. Never, ever had a problem, other than I personally cannot shoot as accurately as my CZ rifle does. I have used Winchester ammo in the past but now use Hornady and had no issues obtaining supplies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennett Posted May 28, 2017 Report Share Posted May 28, 2017 Same here, shot plenty through mine, never had an ammo failure of any sort. Did have trouble getting ammo for a few weeks at one point but only because I wanted federal not Winchester or hornady. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted May 28, 2017 Report Share Posted May 28, 2017 Same here, shot plenty through mine, never had an ammo failure of any sort. Did have trouble getting ammo for a few weeks at one point but only because I wanted federal not Winchester or hornady. My rfd showed me the side of s federal pack says hornady. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2sledge Posted May 28, 2017 Report Share Posted May 28, 2017 yep no problem getting them in warrington warrington shooting // air gun on o leays st £17 a box i have had one miss fire 3y ago i just check the rounds as soon as i buy them for any faults great for vermin out to 150 yards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElvisThePelvis Posted May 28, 2017 Report Share Posted May 28, 2017 Some dealers have problems near me but one I particular suggests that it's because they don't order enough, especially prevalent in Hornady which my rifle prefers. My only negative comment is that they do get blown around.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPARKIE Posted May 28, 2017 Report Share Posted May 28, 2017 had mine about 10 years now never had any issues with ammo supply or any exploding I use remmington. just remember if you miss and it didn't sound right check to clear your rifle make sure there's no bullet half way down barrel also check your ammo for split necks when you buy it..... seen first hand Winchester brass split before firing leading to damp powder or when emptying a loaded round the bullet left in the chamber....was a while ago so hopefully thee manufacturers have sorted it and the old stock of **** ammo has passed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted May 28, 2017 Report Share Posted May 28, 2017 They're cartridges, not bullets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted May 28, 2017 Report Share Posted May 28, 2017 They are cartridges, not bullets. (If we are splitting hairs) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mick miller Posted May 28, 2017 Report Share Posted May 28, 2017 (edited) What's wrong with they're? It's the same as they are. Unlike calling cartridges or rounds bullets, which is completely wrong. Bullets are the things that leave the barrel after you've pulled the trigger, not the things you chamber first. Just spreading some enlightenment... Edited May 28, 2017 by mick miller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donegalcharlie Posted May 28, 2017 Report Share Posted May 28, 2017 This thread is good craic am hitting the bed good luck fellas 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slaphead Posted May 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2017 (edited) What's wrong with they're? It's the same as they are. Unlike calling cartridges or rounds bullets, which is completely wrong. Bullets are the things that leave the barrel after you've pulled the trigger, not the things you chamber first. Just spreading some enlightenment... Next bit of enlightenment delivered direct to your door... Read on .... Thread is titled HMR Bullets... Some of the main parts in the OP is "necks cracking and leaving the bullet in the barrel" along with "a problem with cases causing bullets to become left in the barrel." Hence the title of the thread. Bullets being the main word used. Please try to keep up Thankyou to everyone else for your valuable comments Edited May 28, 2017 by slaphead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boo Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 The HMR has had a fair bit of stick recently, ran mine for the last 10yrs with no issues, then a few baduns in a brick i bought! Cleared them out , ok since, still love it, cracking round for rabbits, get comfortable with it, dont go stupid, then learn to read the wind and distances, keep it real and you will be surprised ! A handy learning tool is Strelok . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 (edited) Next bit of enlightenment delivered direct to your door... Read on .... Thread is titled HMR Bullets... Some of the main parts in the OP is "necks cracking and leaving the bullet in the barrel" along with "a problem with cases causing bullets to become left in the barrel." Hence the title of the thread. Bullets being the main word used. Please try to keep up Thankyou to everyone else for your valuable comments Good attempt at backtracking but a fail. However, to address your original post, 17hmr cartridges are indeed subject to split necks, duff primers and slight overcharges in powder. In my humble opinion the increase in cartridge price now makes the calibre less attractive when compared to shooting the 17 hornet and reloading. Certainly you'll get complete control over consistency, reliability and accuracy provided you take a considered and careful approach to loading. That aside, the factory Hornady rounds are spot on, if a bit pricey in comparison to the hmr. 200 yard rabbits are a possibility and every fox I've shot so far has dropped within a few paces, I'm afraid I can't say the same for people I've observed trying to do the same with the hmr. There's a lot to like in a round that is flat from 40 to 200 yards, especially at night and the hornet is gaining in popularity. I'd say go for it over the hmr any day of the week. However, if you do go for the hornet and opt to reload for it just make sure not to ask questions about 'heads' [Calm down, I'm just pulling your leg, apologies if my posts came across as condescending.] Edited May 29, 2017 by mick miller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 I shoot almost 1,000 rabbits a year, and many of these with the hmr. Probably shoot more than that number of rounds on the range, and generally enjoying myself. Yo have to be a dire fan of reloading to do this with a 17 hornet - personally I could not justify the time 'wasted' in doing this. I suppose it all depends on how many rabbits you shoot. I can justify the time in reloading for my 223, which I mainly use for foxing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 (edited) Set up correctly reloading 200 hornet rounds takes me less time than a round trip to the gun shop and, of course, you can have bullets posted to your door. You also don't need a specialist room set aside just for the purpose of reloading. Edited May 29, 2017 by mick miller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 Set up correctly reloading 200 hornet rounds takes me less time than a round trip to the gun shop and, of course, you can have bullets posted to your door. You also don't need a specialist room set aside just for the purpose of reloading. I have 3 gunshops less than half an hour away, but whatever. It would be interesting to time you reloading 200 rounds in their entirety....... And as I said, I do reload for 223, and have reloaded for several cf rounds previously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 I have to make up another 100 this week, I'll time myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benthejockey Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 To be fair if you do the reloading in 3 stages; clean, resize and trim - cleaning takes as long as I leave the cleaner on and trimming and resizing takes seconds. Prime whilst you're watching some drivel on the tele - I could probably prime 500 in an hour with a Lee auto prime. Pouring a charge and popping a bullet in the end takes no time. Doing it in stages like this I can legitimately make 2 a minute without breaking a sweat. So I could make 120 an hour. I only reload 243 but it saves me 75p a bang so financially it's worth doing and time wise a trip to my local gun shop is an hours round trip maybe more in bad traffic and 120 rounds would cost around £125 whereas my home made ones cost £60. I imagine the little bullets could potentially be a bit more fiddly but it would still be a considerable saving on buying factory ammo. I'm considering chopping my HMR in for a 17 centre fire just because I fancy a change, I like my HMR and I've never had any issues with it and I'd happily have another but I wouldn't get a small calibre centre fire and HMR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 All my cases are ready to go, priming takes no time at all, thrower throws a near as damn it charge, target master trickler trickles while I seat the bullet in the previous case. Get in a routine and you just bust through them. It's at least a 2 hour round trip to any gunshop near me, usually longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slaphead Posted May 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 I haven't looked at reloading kit for ages now because I just do a little bit for my .222 and haven't seen that target master trickler before... Damn that makes it easy. Then again, I dont reload enough to make it pay for itself so its back to cheap old prvy for the fox and the odd reload for a heavier weight head bullet when needed (Sorry MIck ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 If you do decide to switch to the hornet from hmr it makes sense to reload and the hornet is perfectly fox capable out to a sensible 100 yards. I reload for the 243, but probably use around no more than 100 rounds a year; the hornet being the go-to rifle for most of my shooting. The beauty of reloading, as you're no doubt aware, is not so much the cost savings (which often don't factor in the equipment costs), but rather that you can tailor a load to specifically suit the harmonics of your own rifles. That little 20gn or 25gn bullet can be pretty effective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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