Ultrastu Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 I use a red ring style holographic sight on my hushpower mossy .i feel this helps see the incoming pigeons clearer and help with lead much better than just a bead on the end of a barrel . Am i alone in this thinking? I very rarely see "sights" on shot guns out side of american military guns . I cant for the life of me think why a gun would be better without a sight instead of having one . Rifles always have a sight why not shotguns .? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 (edited) I use a red ring style holographic sight on my hushpower mossy .i feel this helps see the incoming pigeons clearer and help with lead much better than just a bead on the end of a barrel . Am i alone in this thinking? I very rarely see "sights" on shot guns out side of american military guns . I cant for the life of me think why a gun would be better without a sight instead of having one . Rifles always have a sight why not shotguns .? Simply because although you will see the gun in your peripheral vision, you should not be conscious of seeing it. You are shooting at a moving target and anything that pulls your vision from that target, can actually be a hindrance. There used to be a Company that produced a 'Singlepoint' sight designed in particular for shotguns. I saw a lot of people rushing out to buy this 'Miracle cure' and spending a lot of money in doing so. Had it been such a panacea to shotgun shooters, it would still be around today. If all of these bells and whistles ensure that your gun never misses, perhaps we will see the top shooters using them ? Er......................NO. Edited June 23, 2017 by Westley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 Burris Speedbead seems popular Ran a dedicated shotgun holographic scope for a while for slug shooting. Got some older 1960's & 70's shotgun sights in the collection. Not got a scope on any shotgun at present....but never had issues in the past with any shotgun while scoped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me matt Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 How do you get on racking with a holographic sight? Cant think of anything more off putting...... When im pulling the trigger ive got both eyes open on the target and no real thought for where the bead on the gun is 🤔 but 90% of the time after the trigger is pulled something falls from the sky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 Ultrastu, how long have you been shooting shotguns? Those of us with experience don't see the bead, we just have an out of focus black smudge below where we are looking and as long as the mount is good the shot will go where we are looking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted June 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 Thanks for the replies . Ive been shooting shot gun for about 5 years now .decoying for about 4 most of this with my red dot . .the thing with just a single bead sight on the gun or even just using the black blur of the barrel is you need consistent gun fit .ie to always look down the barrel in exactly the same way every time and to form a sight picture of the bird from that .obviously if this cant be achived (tricky when a bird is jinking about all over the place ) , a miss will follow .the red dot /ring .eliminates this as they eliminate parrelax error .so you can quicky mont the gun and even adjust your hild or have it less then perfect and as long as the dot is in the right place for the shot you will hit the bird . I find this much easier .as in stark contrast my mate who shoots the same gun as me but without the dot sight .is always missing over or under his birds and easy birds too as his gun mount /sight picture can be consistent . He has been shotgunning twice as long as me but last night my hit rate was about 90 % and his about 35 % Am i a better shot .no i dont think so .do i have an advantage ? Yes its the dot sight . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted June 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 Ps i find racking the gun fast and very instinctive to the point i dont know im doing it when on aim. Both eyes on the bird with the red ring on the bird or in front to allow for lead its very easy to see the lead and the ring actually give a range estimation as when its full of bird i shoot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted June 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 Ive come to shot gunning from rifles .so for me a sight and a raised combe on my mossy feels very natural More so than pushing my face down into a stock in the more conventional shot gun way . It seams more comfortable with a more rifle hold . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 Using a dot sight on a shotgun seems bizarre. I'm not convinced that it can make someone more accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted June 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 Well i only can say . Have you tried ? . What if it can make a good shot great .say you generally hit 80 % of your birds .what if the small advantage it could bring improved it to 95 % . I seam to have good success with mine and im certainly no long term shooter of 25 years with shot guns . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted June 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 I guess its a bit like sking and snowbaording .sking being around for ever .few long term skiers bother to learn boarding and as they are so used to 2 skis 1 board seams overly hard and they give up . But actually boarding is easier to learn and inherantly safer than sking .so most boarders are like my self started on a board and dont ski . I basically made a move to a red sight very early on and for me now without it seams totally unnatural and difficult . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ips Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 Got a link to these things ?? I remember something similar (I think) being demod at the world dtl 2012 by a German bloke. A few of us tried it on the practice stand with quite remarkable results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yickdaz Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 shotgun shooting is mainly for moving targets ie birds /clays so don't see how they would help at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted June 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 Ok .1 big advantage over a conventional set up is .when u have a bird approaching your hide directly towards you and it flies above you .to give the bird any lead you have to completely cover the bird with the barrel so you cant see it when you fire .how do you know in that moment the bird hasnt jinked ? . With the red sight the projected dot /ring looks about an inch above the barrel so a bird can be always seen while giving lead in this or any other direction . I like to give constant lead on a bird instead of pulling through the shot . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impala59 Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 search Pilad PF01x25 on the E site Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted June 24, 2017 Report Share Posted June 24, 2017 I wonder if these sights are allowed in competition. From what you say Stu, it may be a game changer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted June 24, 2017 Report Share Posted June 24, 2017 hello, i remember something like this being tried out at the old oxford clay pigeon club at hinksey farm back in the 1970s, then we had the venables gun shop in oxford, it was fitted to a S/S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobba Posted June 24, 2017 Report Share Posted June 24, 2017 (edited) I use a red ring style holographic sight on my hushpower mossy If the sight is along the lines of the the pilaf pro then I'm intrigued by the whole concept. Could you specify the sight you use please and how it is mounted on a shotgun. A photo or two might be useful. Thanks. If, however, your sight is like the "Easyhit" or "Ruby" fibre optic sights then I am aware of these and the mixed views on their usefulness or otherwise...... Edited June 24, 2017 by Bobba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted June 24, 2017 Report Share Posted June 24, 2017 I'm intrigued by the whole concept. Could you specify the sight you use please and how it is mounted on a shotgun. A photo or two might be useful. Thanks. hello, PLUS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyeruk Posted June 24, 2017 Report Share Posted June 24, 2017 That could be worth looking into. PLUS 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted June 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2017 I was going to post a few picks of my set up .but the more reply options button isnt give me that option anymore ? Basically i have a weaver rail on my mossberg and on that i have one of those multi reticle red dots that you can choose between .dot .ring .cross .etc .i like the red ring as its the same size as my pattern at all ranges from 5 _ 40 yds .so if a static target and it's in the ring i CAN'T miss .i have put a raised cheek piece on the stock to get perfect eye alignment too . Id post a link but dont know how to . But they are pretty cheap around £40 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted June 24, 2017 Report Share Posted June 24, 2017 That could be worth looking into. PLUS 2 hello flyer, yea i think need something as yesterday 5 shots 5 misses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted June 24, 2017 Report Share Posted June 24, 2017 (edited) I was going to post a few picks of my set up .but the more reply options button isnt give me that option anymore ? Basically i have a weaver rail on my mossberg and on that i have one of those multi reticle red dots that you can choose between .dot .ring .cross .etc .i like the red ring as its the same size as my pattern at all ranges from 5 _ 40 yds .so if a static target and it's in the ring i CAN'T miss .i have put a raised cheek piece on the stock to get perfect eye alignment too . Id post a link but dont know how to . But they are pretty cheap around £40 hello, sounds like what i tried on my ratty pistol but a much cheaper version just put make and model number and someone may put link up. Edited June 24, 2017 by oldypigeonpopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted June 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2017 If you google Multi red dot sight The first ones that come up are it .it has like a tv screen on it with a flat top .and the ret is projected onto that . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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