luke c Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 got my new gun today its a hatson escort magnum semi auto 290 quid with a 3 year warenty its a bit plasticy but for my fist gun its great and the warenty swayed my decision. i have put about 80 shots thru it and managed to hit nothing . i am going for crows about 50/60 yards up . i have 2 decoy crows and have put three duck egs down but the crows are not interested . i am using half choke at the mo is this right for the kind of distance ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bagup-sam Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 50 - 60 yards is the top end of th range. maybe theyr just too high up try cartridges with less shot in them (28grams), theyr faster and harder hitting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oly Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 Personally I pretty much live with 3/4 choke in mine (albeit I have the 3.5" chambered version and Beretta Mobile chokes). The point of aim is slightly high...i.e. if I'm shooting at a rabbit at 40 yrds I would aim just below it's feet - I miss very little. Mine's for sale here: http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...showtopic=35854 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
humperdingle Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 Maybe try BB shot... the heavier pellets will carry a much longer distance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oly Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 BB's?!? He's shooting crows...not geese or foxes!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchie the white hunter Posted June 10, 2007 Report Share Posted June 10, 2007 Maybe try BB shot... the heavier pellets will carry a much longer distance. I right m8 you must be jokeing wasting all that money for crows HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN SHOOTING FOR!!! HEY another thing your sayn be environmentally friendly ha ha ha ha think what you are sayn man!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke c Posted June 11, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 i have a box of bb 1s but they were £6.50 think i will save those ones for a special ocasion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 i am going for crows about 50/60 yards up .. ................ i am using half choke at the mo is this right for the kind of distance ? NO !!, go to a shooting coach and don`t raise your gun to another living thing until you have had a dozen lessons and can work out what distances birds can be shot at ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 What a load of rubbish, I shot a pigeon in Herts the other day, nothing special you think but I was in Wiltshire at the time Aside from the "learn to shoot" advice, which is all sound, try going out with someone who has shot crows for a while and pick up some tips. Crows fly a lot higher than pigeon, and a lot slower in general. They are deceptive and are not that easily shot. Telescope-like ultra keen eyesight and mighty clever, they tend to see you and nonchalantly avoid you by 100yds or so, like they know you can't touch them - as opposed to obviously indicating they have seen you like a pigeon will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 That's pretty far away for any choke to be honest. Try and find yourself a plastic full bodied owl decoy. Sometimes the crows get really nasty towards them and will attack it, even to the point that they'll get closer to you than normal because they seem to switch their brains off when attacking something and are less cautious! Try to get them within 30 yards if you can, that's what I do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 i am going for crows about 50/60 yards up .. ................ i am using half choke at the mo is this right for the kind of distance ? NO !!, go to a shooting coach and don`t raise your gun to another living thing until you have had a dozen lessons and can work out what distances birds can be shot at ! I really think it's about time someone??? asked about shooting experience/qualifications BEFORE issuing a SGC. It's b***** criminal to let people loose out there with no idea of what they are doing and will (eventually) do our sport more harm! Luke this post isn't meant to get at you personally BUT wise up and get someone to mentor you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oly Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 True, I started shooting 3 years ago and only had my interview this week. All because my grandad wanted to make sure i was first safe, and second a good shot. I know this may seem silly but he told be before i could put my applacation in, i shoudl learn all bird seasons. It might sound harsh to you, but now i have no excuses in the field Sounds like your Grandads a top bloke, learn all you can from him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootingman Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 That's pretty far away for any choke to be honest. Try and find yourself a plastic full bodied owl decoy. Sometimes the crows get really nasty towards them and will attack it, even to the point that they'll get closer to you than normal because they seem to switch their brains off when attacking something and are less cautious! Try to get them within 30 yards if you can, that's what I do I totally agree with Highlander, there are more & more newbies asking such basic /idiotic questions that I can't understand how they are being granted certificates, as for Humperdingle 3mths ago he was asking the same dumb questions so I assumed he was a new shooter, now he has all the answers, pity they're the wrong answers.******* BB's, learn the game before giving out illformed/wrong advise m8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaggyRS6 Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 got my new gun today its a hatson escort magnum semi auto 290 quid with a 3 year warenty its a bit plasticy but for my fist gun its great and the warenty swayed my decision. i have put about 80 shots thru it and managed to hit nothing . i am going for crows about 50/60 yards up . i have 2 decoy crows and have put three duck egs down but the crows are not interested . i am using half choke at the mo is this right for the kind of distance ? Perfect gun for rough shooting. Dont matter about getting it knocked. Throw it away after the warranty and get another Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchie the white hunter Posted June 16, 2007 Report Share Posted June 16, 2007 That's pretty far away for any choke to be honest. Try and find yourself a plastic full bodied owl decoy. Sometimes the crows get really nasty towards them and will attack it, even to the point that they'll get closer to you than normal because they seem to switch their brains off when attacking something and are less cautious! Try to get them within 30 yards if you can, that's what I do :thumbs: I totally agree with Highlander, there are more & more newbies asking such basic /idiotic questions that I can't understand how they are being granted certificates, as for Humperdingle 3mths ago he was asking the same dumb questions so I assumed he was a new shooter, now he has all the answers, pity they're the wrong answers. F-----g BB's, learn the game before giving out illformed/wrong advise m8. HA HA HA WELL SAID MATE WHAT ARE THESE PEOPLE ON I MEAN IM NOT THE BEST OF SHOTS BY FAR BUT YOU SHOULD HAVE SOME COMMON SAVVY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSA Shaun Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 Mine's for sale here: http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...showtopic=35854 Not any more, he's donated it to a better shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topgunners Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 got my new gun today its a hatson escort magnum semi auto 290 quid with a 3 year warenty its a bit plasticy but for my fist gun its great and the warenty swayed my decision. i have put about 80 shots thru it and managed to hit nothing . i am going for crows about 50/60 yards up . i have 2 decoy crows and have put three duck egs down but the crows are not interested . i am using half choke at the mo is this right for the kind of distance ? I have read all the other posts and agree with most of the comments (especially Henry D & Pin) and I would like to put my 2 penn'orth in. First of all you need a couple of sessions on clays AT LEAST, with an instructor. Once you have ascertained what 30/35 yards is straight out and then straight up; I suggest you make a decent hide and acquire a few more decoys and set out a decent pattern. SIT STILL behind your netting until the last moment before you take the shot and let the crows COME TO YOU. There is nothing more SATISFYING than watching that bird " PUTTING ON THE BRAKES - TOO LATE" We shoot many hundreds of crows etc in a session/season and very rarely take 60yd shots with ANY cartridge or choke. The skill is to watch the birds and get the flight path; if possible ,RIGHT If you are lucky enough to hit one at that range you will probably only wing it and cause it more pain and distress than is necessary. Also, I suggest you try and cadge a day out WATCHING others do it properly and GAIN EXPERIENCE at the same time. Dave K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 Get yourself a set of adapted Mexican bandoleers that will take 250 shotty carts and get yourself outside and shooting anything that moves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 Whilst shooting at crows 60yds out is reprehensible, there have been a few "how do these people get certs" questions. Lets not forget in the UK you currently don't need to show good reason to possess a shotgun, and depending on the area simply saying you've been clay shooing a few times and want your own gun is sufficient. You can then go out and, within reason [ or not, as the case may be ] shoot at anything you like. I know they are changing it, and not quickly enough for my liking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hwr Posted June 25, 2007 Report Share Posted June 25, 2007 Whilst shooting at crows 60yds out is reprehensible, there have been a few "how do these people get certs" questions. Lets not forget in the UK you currently don't need to show good reason to possess a shotgun, and depending on the area simply saying you've been clay shooing a few times and want your own gun is sufficient. You can then go out and, within reason [ or not, as the case may be ] shoot at anything you like. I know they are changing it, and not quickly enough for my liking. Look the guys got the sense to come on here and ask some advise so he's not that daft! least you could do is give him some good advice or keep quiet! as he won't ask again Some people aren't lucky enough to have a Grandad to pass on knowledge but they do have access to the internet to ask here! As for saying that we need more restriction on SGC's its shows your level of intelligence, since Dumblane we can no longer shoot hanguns legally but has it had the desired affect? Of course not just a reaction for the public perception gun crime continues to increase and comments like yours will only help the yoghurt knitting brigade. I'd like to think we're on the same side here, if there are sides, show a little thought before you type please ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted June 25, 2007 Report Share Posted June 25, 2007 Whilst shooting at crows 60yds out is reprehensible, there have been a few "how do these people get certs" questions. Lets not forget in the UK you currently don't need to show good reason to possess a shotgun, and depending on the area simply saying you've been clay shooing a few times and want your own gun is sufficient. You can then go out and, within reason [ or not, as the case may be ] shoot at anything you like. I know they are changing it, and not quickly enough for my liking. Look the guys got the sense to come on here and ask some advise so he's not that daft! least you could do is give him some good advice or keep quiet! as he won't ask again Some people aren't lucky enough to have a Grandad to pass on knowledge but they do have access to the internet to ask here! As for saying that we need more restriction on SGC's its shows your level of intelligence, since Dumblane we can no longer shoot hanguns legally but has it had the desired affect? Of course not just a reaction for the public perception gun crime continues to increase and comments like yours will only help the yoghurt knitting brigade. I'd like to think we're on the same side here, if there are sides, show a little thought before you type please ! If people had to pass a small/simple test of competancy along the lines of most wildfowling clubs Dunblane might never have happened. After all you can't simply buy a car and drive so why a gun, it's just b***** stupid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted June 25, 2007 Report Share Posted June 25, 2007 As for saying that we need more restriction on SGC's its shows your level of intelligence, since Dumblane we can no longer shoot hanguns legally but has it had the desired affect? Of course not just a reaction How dare you question my intelligence, care to submit to an IQ test in public to find out how wrong you are? I'll pay, hell I'll pick you up and drop you off :blink: I can say what I like on here and will continue to do so, but don't make it personal by insulting me. Especially when your own "argument", if that's what you are calling it, is sufficiently holed as to double nicely as a colander. Anyone who gets a shotgun and wanders off to shoot living things without having the decency and respect to seek some training is getting none of my time, regardless of age. All this post does is back up the argument that there should be some kind of competency test before owning a firearm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted June 25, 2007 Report Share Posted June 25, 2007 Oh pin bites back :blink: Careful you'll get like me...grumpy but I like your attitude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted June 25, 2007 Report Share Posted June 25, 2007 Boils my **** when people make such inadequately reasoned and poorly conceived juxtaposition. What in the name of all that's holy has the handgun ban got to do with shooting competence, other than that as pointed out the latter may well have prevented the former? Oh, and there's no chance of me turning into a grumpy old man, that happened a while ago now :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hwr Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 As for saying that we need more restriction on SGC's its shows your level of intelligence, since Dumblane we can no longer shoot hanguns legally but has it had the desired affect? Of course not just a reaction How dare you question my intelligence, care to submit to an IQ test in public to find out how wrong you are? I'll pay, hell I'll pick you up and drop you off I can say what I like on here and will continue to do so, but don't make it personal by insulting me. Especially when your own "argument", if that's what you are calling it, is sufficiently holed as to double nicely as a colander. Anyone who gets a shotgun and wanders off to shoot living things without having the decency and respect to seek some training is getting none of my time, regardless of age. All this post does is back up the argument that there should be some kind of competency test before owning a firearm. Boils my **** when people make such inadequately reasoned and poorly conceived juxtaposition. What in the name of all that's holy has the handgun ban got to do with shooting competence, other than that as pointed out the latter may well have prevented the former? Oh, and there's no chance of me turning into a grumpy old man, that happened a while ago now Of course you can say what you like thats the point of forums! I didn't insult you I said it showed the level of your intelligence, if you took that as an insult then you have a problem with your perception of your own intelligence. (as an aside I know a couple of people with a very high 'IQ' but their level of common sense is very low and I would suggest you would want the latter in preference to the former for gunsports) A handgun ban is a form of regulation that was imposed as an action that had no affect on its intended target (criminals) but 100% on its unintended, law abiding gun owners. Why would handgun competence have prevented the ban?I don't understand that point you made.inadequately reasoned and poorly conceived juxtaposition.legislation against guns next to errh ..........LEGISLATION AGAINST GUNS its the same Doh! In the perfect world of course some kind of sensible competency/test would be a good idea,(maybe)but shouldn't be law.(perhaps you weren't suggesting law) however we don't have that but we do have a forum where people can come for advice, maybe make friends, or just have a few discussions Don't the BASC have some kind of young gun scheme? why didn't you suggest that to him, why didn't you ask to pick HIM up and take him shooting for a couple of hours?maybe some of your decency would rub off? Anyroad up we seem to have hijacked this thread I reckon the best advice was Topgunners H ps Pin maybe you've got cystitis if it hurts when you pee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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