kingo15 Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 https://www.gov.uk/government/news/home-secretary-to-consult-on-new-laws-on-offensive-weapons Early days but it could be bad news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 Because a 300win mag is safe compared to a 50 cal lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Prawn Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 Eeek, would be good to know the full details. At the risk of laying myself open to the chip chip offensive I don't think a restriction on .50 would affect many people but I can't see how you justify that as to the best of my knowledge nobody has been committing offences with one and no serious incidents I'm aware of? Why the .50 too when there's still big boy guns not mentioned? Rapid firing rifles could surely only mean .22 semis as they're the only thing I can imagine that meets that term? Straight pull or lever release would be the next and they're not exactly rapid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 moving two firearms (.50 calibre and certain rapid firing rifles) from the general licensing arrangements to the stricter provisions of section 5 of the Firearms Act 1968 That's the end of the SGC lever release rifles then surely? I posted on here few months ago about fancying getting one but said they'd probably ban em (at least before I saved up what they bloody cost!!) I might actually be right on that one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 (edited) Whoops 😬 Edited October 3, 2017 by stevo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 moving two firearms (.50 calibre and certain rapid firing rifles) from the general licensing arrangements to the stricter provisions of section 5 of the Firearms Act 1968 That's the end of the SGC lever release rifles then surely? I posted on here few months ago about fancying getting one but said they'd probably ban em (at least before I saved up what they bloody cost!!) I might actually be right on that one! [/quote Why would anyone want a lever release shotgun ?? Surly a sec 1 semi auto would be a much better option . I think you've misunderstood mate, SGC in this case relation to the Southern Gun Company Lever Release rifles, available in 223 as well as 9mm I believe. Not ShotGun Certificate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 I would say the ban will ( if it happens ) will be the .50 cal as already indicated and the other will be the lever release rifles . Which to be fare I thought that would have a good while ago as let’s face it , there are bit of a good ol bending of the rules on the straight pull . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 ame="stevo" post="3323525" timestamp="1507065804"] I think you've misunderstood mate, SGC in this case relation to the Southern Gun Company Lever Release rifles, available in 223 as well as 9mm I believe. Not ShotGun Certificate. Ah yes I see what you mean , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 Sounds like par for the course legislation really. A little used calibre that has never been used in crime in the UK, and another very common one which has, but not the type of action which has. Then we have legislation against the sale of an acid to under 18's who will either get an older person to buy it or use bleach or some other such liquid, and finally the tightening of legislation against a type of knife which has been subject to a ban for decades, yet nothing whatsoever regarding the calibre most commonly used illegally in recent months nor the dozens of stabbings carried out on a daily basis. You couldn't make it up ! I wonder who the .50 cal lads can rely on for support eh? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshootist Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 I will be resisting this even though I'm not a member of the 50 cal rifle club. Getting into a club with access go the big ranges and then buying a 20lb £5k rifle.. It's a pretty select group of shooters. I see no threat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossberg-operator Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 Maybe our shooting organisations can oppose this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimpleSimon Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 How many of you have written to BASC, etc. and your MP to oppose these changes to firearms legislation? I have no aspiration to own either of the rifles mentioned here but I certainly don't want them banned, and another gentle step taken towards a total ban. What next? 22 semi autos? Semi/pump shotguns? Any calibre bigger/faster/more muzzle energy than X? Let's get vocal about this now before minds are made up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 How many of you have written to BASC, etc. and your MP to oppose these changes to firearms legislation? I have no aspiration to own either of the rifles mentioned here but I certainly don't want them banned, and another gentle step taken towards a total ban. What next? 22 semi autos? Semi/pump shotguns? Any calibre bigger/faster/more muzzle energy than X? Let's get vocal about this now before minds are made up... 👍🏻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 (edited) Words fail me regarding the politicians we allow to make laws in this country. They think by just making a law the problem will go away. When thugs that use chemicals in this way can source it without buying it, two minutes on the web will show you how to make sulphuric acid or nitric acid from common chemicals, then every car battery includes sulphuric acid. Then the firearms where is the evidence that these types of firearms are being used by criminals. Should not the way forward be for the courts to send a clear message like, life in prison if you use acid as a weapon, or a knife or a firearm. No if's no but's and no early release. Then they may with luck think twice before they affend and if not then they are at least of the streets forever never to offend again. Love or hate trump at least he has the bottle to blame the person not the weapon used, not that I would want USA gun laws. Edited October 4, 2017 by rbrowning2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scobydog Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 Chipping away at the shooting community again, oh and look it is the Tory's that are doing it yet again. S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savhmr Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 As mentioned, everyone needs to write to the BASC and their local MPs to protest at this non-nonsensical piece of knee-jerk opportunism. If this is let go, how long before many more rifles which some use perhaps regularly on range days will end up being banned? And the irony is that this tightening up has nothing to do with the EU machine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BattleFieldRelics Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 I think firearms-uk will be releasing a letter template Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 This is being driven by the police and feo,s who do not like the 50cal or mars (I think it is called) type of firearms. Amber Rudd email is Amber.rudd.mp@parliament.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 I think firearms-uk will be releasing a letter template When they do post a link.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 (edited) Remove all firearms from the public. And remove all hazardous chemicals from sale. That will sort out all the gun crime and acid attacks. Really what bloomin planet do these politicians live on cus it ain't on the one I'm on. Edited October 4, 2017 by Dougy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 Writing to the game and clay shooting organisations will be a waste of time; write to your MP and HO ministers if you want to write to anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 would it include muzzle loading calibre ?....patch&ball .50cal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 (edited) would it include muzzle loading calibre ?....patch&ball .50calNo , as rate of fire would be so low, this was one of the main reasons why the ban on pistols firing metallic cartridges came in. And we could and still have Black powder. Most seem to refer to it as the handgun ban it was not a ban on handguns in was a ban on certain types of ammunition that used in certain handguns Thats how it was explained in the home office letter given to us by the police when I handed in my hand guns Edited October 4, 2017 by stevo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 What about cannons, there still legal and fire a huge round or grape shot? They've gone mad again, more knee jerk reactions or is it a case of using these events as an excuse to ban what they wanted to ban for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benthejockey Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 Ban everything because thatll stop all the nasty people doing nasty things. Obviously the tool of choice for bank robbers and terrorists and all general baddies is the 50cal or self loading small calibre rifles...oh no wait terrorists like the good old AK47, bank robbers like the good old sawn off shotgun and the baddies like handguns all of which are illegal/banned/unobtainable by law abiding citizens. Realistically where do you draw the line? Ban nitrogen fertiliser? Ban all diesel and petrol? A container full of that and a few lb of nuts and bolts would make a pretty convincing claymore. A toothbrush and razor blade makes a very good stabbing weapon! Im pretty sure an entrepreneurial terrorist could turn a toothbrush into a right sharp pointy stick and disguise it as a real toothbrush and then hijack another plane. The only people these knee jerk reactions penalise are the law abiding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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