fse10 Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 Right then, my shotgun cert is due for renewal in Jan, I want to apply for a fac shotgun so will need to apply for a fac i understand i do not have to have land i will be using it on checked & i can also put it down for clay shooting as well as vermin shooting am i correct in this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 Right then, my shotgun cert is due for renewal in Jan, I want to apply for a fac shotgun so will need to apply for a fac i understand i do not have to have land i will be using it on checked & i can also put it down for clay shooting as well as vermin shooting am i correct in this? You will need a better reason for a sec 1 shotgun than 'vermin shooting' You need to show WHY need it it for vermin, that a normal sec 2 wont suffice. Forget about clay shooting as a reason too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 You are into an area of interpretation by regions, but you will generally have to be a bit more specific and present a case, rather than just Vermin shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esca Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 The only reason that I know of in my area for the issue of a section1 shotgun, is if you are pratical shooting with a home office approved club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 I got one conditioned for vermin and clays, reason on aplication was simply vermin (clays added later) and was granted without question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 Mine was 'crop protection'. This was suggested to me by my FEO and I had it granted with no problems. The request was also backed up by a letter from the farmer, stating that his crops were being hammered by birds. At first, I could only use my 8 shot for bird control, but now that's been removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 Mate has the same mossberg as me on fac 6 shot . I think he got his for (flocking bird ) ie large quantity of birds to be controlled (vermin) at once . The reality is .it's a waste of time in all the years we have been shooting together he has needed that 4 th or 5th extra shot once . There are quiet a lot of extra restrictions on what and where u can shoot a fac shotty .he also wouldnt do it again if given the choice now .3 shots is 99% of the time enough for pigeon shooting .imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrumbag Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 You will need a better reason for a sec 1 shotgun than 'vermin shooting' You need to show WHY need it it for vermin, that a normal sec 2 wont suffice. Forget about clay shooting as a reason too. As said I don’t think clay pigeon shooting is a good reason in itself but my FAC shotgun is conditioned for clay pigeon shooting ATB, Scrummy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 As said I don’t think clay pigeon shooting is a good reason in itself but my FAC shotgun is conditioned for clay pigeon shooting ATB, Scrummy I am surprised it needs conditioning for clays to be honest. But the main problem is, a lot of grounds dont like, or refuse to let you use them for clays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 I am surprised it needs conditioning for clays to be honest. But the main problem is, a lot of grounds dont like, or refuse to let you use them for clays. Just like any section 1 firearm you must have it conditioned for the use intended so if it's not conditioned for clays then you are breaking the law if you use it clay shooting. Not normally a problem if they grant it for vermin they should grant it for clays to allow you to practice with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 Just like any section 1 firearm you must have it conditioned for the use intended so if it's not conditioned for clays then you are breaking the law if you use it clay shooting. Not normally a problem if they grant it for vermin they should grant it for clays to allow you to practice with it. Sorry,you are correct , forgot about that bit ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B&W FOX Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 Its a bit of an expensive touch just to get an FAC shotgun. I could understand it if you already had an FAC with rifles listed on it, and just wanted to add a shotgun. Its a bit like getting an FAC just so you can buy an air rifle that is over 12ft/lb it doesn't make economic sense The cost of £88 plus extra referees, if you feel the need go for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 I got my fac only for fac air. And have no intention of going for cf. or rf. But then I love my airguns and they do all I need them to . My .25 fac being a great alternative to a .22lr and in some respects bettering it . Each to there own I guess .if the op wants fac shotty then go for it .but be sure that you need it as it will close more doors than it opens . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me matt Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 Mine was 'crop protection'. This was suggested to me by my FEO and I had it granted with no problems. This. Just had the same conversation with my FEO, he said its a natural progression and wouldn't be a problem. Essex FEO btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElvisThePelvis Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 Mate has the same mossberg as me on fac 6 shot . I think he got his for (flocking bird ) ie large quantity of birds to be controlled (vermin) at once . The reality is .it's a waste of time in all the years we have been shooting together he has needed that 4 th or 5th extra shot once . There are quiet a lot of extra restrictions on what and where u can shoot a fac shotty .he also wouldnt do it again if given the choice now .3 shots is 99% of the time enough for pigeon shooting .imo. This! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 This! +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 Apply for and give your good reason as the shooting of avian species in accordance with and under the terms of the wildlife and countryside act 1987/88? Check the date; I always forget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8 shot Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 Mate has the same mossberg as me on fac 6 shot . I think he got his for (flocking bird ) ie large quantity of birds to be controlled (vermin) at once . The reality is .it's a waste of time in all the years we have been shooting together he has needed that 4 th or 5th extra shot once . There are quiet a lot of extra restrictions on what and where u can shoot a fac shotty .he also wouldnt do it again if given the choice now .3 shots is 99% of the time enough for pigeon shooting .imo. Opposite here brilliant bits of kit increased my bags quite a bit oh and the cartridge bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me matt Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 oh and the cartridge bill 😂 true lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshgun Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 Mine was 'crop protection'. This was suggested to me by my FEO and I had it granted with no problems. The request was also backed up by a letter from the farmer, stating that his crops were being hammered by birds. At first, I could only use my 8 shot for bird control, but now that's been removed. Same here steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 Yeah I wet my self laughing at my mate chasing a pigeon going away at 100 mph as he lets all this shots fly at it . £1.80 a red hot barrel and still no bird . He has learnt to do that less often tho . They can get expensive very quick . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharpeshooter60 Posted October 18, 2017 Report Share Posted October 18, 2017 Right then, my shotgun cert is due for renewal in Jan, I want to apply for a fac shotgun so will need to apply for a fac i understand i do not have to have land i will be using it on checked & i can also put it down for clay shooting as well as vermin shooting am i correct in this? get it for crows like I did mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 I agree with what has been said ,you will rarely need the 4th shot But depending on what type of gun (new / SH) you can get some right bargains on SH FAC shotguns as theres a very limited market Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 I got my first FAC shotgun for pest control. Clay pigeon shooting is not a 'good reason' to get one granted but you can get a condition added for clay pigeon shooting if you have another 'good reason' for getting one i.e. pest control/target shooting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fse10 Posted October 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 I got my first FAC shotgun for pest control. Clay pigeon shooting is not a 'good reason' to get one granted but you can get a condition added for clay pigeon shooting if you have another 'good reason' for getting one i.e. pest control/target shooting Yes i think i have a good reason for wanting a Fac shotgun for pest control & would have it conditioned for clay shooting, not that i would use it for this, that often. Plus there are two clubs near me that shoot PSG which looks like it could be fun to get in to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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