FairImogen Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 Whilst I only know what was reported, I still think he got off lightly. 3 yrs!. http://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/cheltenham-news/country-gent-caught-loaded-semi-650518 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 "Giles was permitted to have 600 shotgun cartridges but police counted 1,178. He was allowed to have 75 rounds of rifle ammunition but had 126. Some of the ammunition was in his shed and car rather than in the cabinets." is there a limit of shotgun cartridges? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arjimlad Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 I'm not embarrassed - he's a lawbreaking twerp insofar as firearms law is concerned - I am not. Are we embarrassed as drivers by the antics of Henri Paul, for example ? It certainly looks like the Judge went out of his way to be lenient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 (edited) I read the article - it is my local paper - don't understand "he was permitted to have 600 shotgun cartridges but police counted 1,178." I wasn't aware that the number of shotgun cartridges was ever limited? EDIT - Duplicate of post above - we posted at the same time! Edited October 19, 2017 by JohnfromUK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 Country Gent My ****! Complete idiot more like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VicW Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 (edited) The only legal limit on the number of shotgun cartridges you can be in possession of is governed by the explosives regulations. It equates to about 10,000 cartridges. Vic. Edited October 19, 2017 by VicW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 The only legal limit on the number of shotgun cartridges you can be in possession of is governed by the explosives regulations. I equates to about 10,000 cartridges. Vic. That stacks up - it would be out of character for a local rag to allow the truth to interfere with a good story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 Could be section 1 cartridges I.e slug ect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmytree Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 Yes he was an idiot, no doubt. At least he didn't use the guns on his ex wife and her boyfriend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 The only legal limit on the number of shotgun cartridges you can be in possession of is governed by the explosives regulations. I equates to about 10,000 cartridges. Vic. I hope so. I have no idea how many I have in my shed. I buy a few slabs at the start of each season and forget about the ones I have left over from the last! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 I am struggling with the reasons for the light sentence. He knew the law and ignored it. His defence of "finding" the pistol is insulting - he should have got far more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 I'm not sure the exact number of shotgun shells, but it is a lot. But slightly less than a full 1T pallet. I know a keeper /shoot who used to buy the shells by the full pallet but got stopped as it was over the explosives limit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 I believe the limit of cartridge possession is 10,000 . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 Shocking, mandatory, no longer means mandatory. Typical of the UK's so called justice system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 I believe the limit of cartridge possession is 10,000 . It's surprising how personal stock can build up especially when you hold different gauges. Is it stated in the regs / police guidance how many you can hold? Or is it do with with the amount of powder contained within the cartridges? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 VicW is correct. It is limited by the powder contained in the shells. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 It's surprising how personal stock can build up especially when you hold different gauges. Is it stated in the regs / police guidance how many you can hold? Or is it do with with the amount of powder contained within the cartridges? I have in excess of 5000 between 12ga and 20ga with varying loads and most lead, but a lot nonlead. Whether its a law, or a good practice/recommendation I am not sure , I have never been able to find official documented proof. There is a lot of logic about it being a requirement linked to explosives legislation, but I have never seen it. The fact there are no laws about the storage of shotgun cartridges also suprises me, I can't really see why FAC ammunition is treated so differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ips Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 Vic is bang on. My bro in law is HSE explosives inspector and has confirmed this some time ago. It equates to approx 10'000 cartridges and is a HSE regulation not a firearms regulation. And before anyone asks, yes it has been known for folk to be prosecuted for storing more than this without appropriate licence to store. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 Explosive licensing talks about the total amount of explosive material stored in any single location though. So theoretically if you split your cartridges between garage/shed and house then you could hold more, you could hold 20,000 as each location is within the constraints of the HSE legislation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 Explosive licensing talks about the total amount of explosive material stored in any single location though. So theoretically if you split your cartridges between garage/shed and house then you could hold more, you could hold 20,000 as each location is within the constraints of the HSE legislation. Thats ok then. Ive probably got that many spread across shed, garage, coat pockets, rattling around Defender etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 Thats ok then. Ive probably got that many spread across shed, garage, coat pockets, rattling around Defender etc. I found some in the bottom of my laptop bag the other day, pleased I discovered they were there before going through the airport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 I found some in the bottom of my laptop bag the other day, pleased I discovered they were there before going through the airport. Been there done that. Found some in pockets as I was in queue for security. Had to quickly deposit them in the bins that they have for liquids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriBsa Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 I have in excess of 5000 between 12ga and 20ga with varying loads and most lead, but a lot nonlead. Whether its a law, or a good practice/recommendation I am not sure , I have never been able to find official documented proof. There is a lot of logic about it being a requirement linked to explosives legislation, but I have never seen it. The fact there are no laws about the storage of shotgun cartridges also suprises me, I can't really see why FAC ammunition is treated so differently. The relevant act on ammunition storage is The Explosives Regulations 2014. This details how much you can store before an Explosives Licence is required. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2014/1638/regulation/7/made Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 The relevant act on ammunition storage is The Explosives Regulations 2014. This details how much you can store before an Explosives Licence is required. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2014/1638/regulation/7/made Thanks for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ips Posted October 20, 2017 Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 Explosive licensing talks about the total amount of explosive material stored in any single location though. So theoretically if you split your cartridges between garage/shed and house then you could hold more, you could hold 20,000 as each location is within the constraints of the HSE legislation. With respect this is incorrect. No person shall store more than 10kg regardless of how you split it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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