figgy Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 As title any body reload steel or non toxic like powershot or HW13 on a lee loadall or do you hand load and roll turn over ? Curious about loading my own goose carts after reading what others are doing cartridge wise, i dont use too many in a season so dont fancy spending on a Mec steelmaster etc if I dont carry on with it. What are powders for the loads like for getting hold of too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holloway Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 As title any body reload steel or non toxic like powershot or HW13 on a lee loadall or do you hand load and roll turn over ? Curious about loading my own goose carts after reading what others are doing cartridge wise, i dont use too many in a season so dont fancy spending on a Mec steelmaster etc if I dont carry on with it. What are powders for the loads like for getting hold of too? i do all mine with a set of scales and an old vintage rto machine thats all the gear you need really simple and cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 What sort of speeds can be achieved with roll turn over for steel ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiler23 Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 I use the lee loadall for my steel homeloads, I don't use the bushing tho.. All powder and shot is weighed seperate . Only problem I have is with the resizing ring on either high brass cases or 3.5" cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 Load alls work ok and low price soon has machine paid for, second hand Reloading presses come up but most are double the price of new load alls. I reload all my 3 and 3.5 inch 12s on an old pacific i imagine you could do the same on a lee load all just the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 Powder isn't too difficult to get hold of. I'm currently using Alliant blue dot and steel powders for my hw13 loads. I find 3" plenty in the 12 (46gm) so a Lee may be ideal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenergp Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 I use a Lee Loadall for 3" and 3.5" loads but i weigh out the powder and shot by hand and just use the press for de-priming and re-priming and crimping the cartridges it takes a bit of practice the do the 3.5" ones but i am quite happy with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Continental Shooter Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 I handload all my loads and close it with a Lee; You could use the powder bushing if you find (or modify) one to suit you load; wouldn't advise on the pellets as i suspect the bar will have issues in cutting through the pellets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 (edited) Sounds like it could be just the thing, I think I would rather measure the powder and shot by hand as for fowling Id probably use less than 100 3 carts in a season as I use the gamebore super steels for most ducks and teal over the splashes. Dont think I could load similar to the super steel cheaper. So would continue with them but for geese and long range duck Id load my own. When I buy one Ill be asking for data for all the cracking carts your all loading. Especially BB steel and this HW13 or power shot. Edited October 23, 2017 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 Load alls work ok and low price soon has machine paid for, second hand Reloading presses come up but most are double the price of new load alls. I reload all my 3 and 3.5 inch 12s on an old pacific i imagine you could do the same on a lee load all just the same. Which model Pacific? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 3 and 3.5 Pacific 105and a 266 i load 70mm steel on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatsanmad Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 I started with a loadall. They do give a relatively good crimp. But you do need to hand weigh the powder and shot. The difficulty comes with the 3.5 inch rounds as there isn't enough clearance to de prime and resize on the first station and ends up crushing the top of the hull. The way around it i found was knock the fired primer out with a screw driver and with the addition of a second resizing ring then resize and insert primer and release the rings on the second stage. But they are a good cheap press to get you started and if your only using 3inch then definitely worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) Got my press and BBB shot yesterday, set it up and done 15 3 carts to try out. Was impressed with the crimps could barely tell the difference to factory loads and got the taper to the top too. Motty are you loading steel carts with the blue dot and what speeds are you achieving. Locally I can get Alliant blue dot or unique any others like Alliant Steel Id have to travel to get. That 46 gram HW13 3 load sounds interesting, what size shot are push out? I been thinking 3 or 3.5mm would make a good long range goose load Edited October 27, 2017 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 There is decent data for steel shot using Blue dot, but more and probably better with Steel powder. I use 3.8mm hw13, but I will be buying some slightly smaller, soon. The 3.8mm will kill as far as you could reasonably wish to shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 Cheers Motty. I’m keeping all my empty cases to go for for it during the spring summer to load al my own for next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fen tiger Posted October 29, 2017 Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 What load weights velocity and cases do you want to use.? I stayed using blue Dot a long time with Steel as i always had it around as i used it in the Eight too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 (edited) Cases are mainly 3 Eley lightning with some gamebore 3. If I needed to I would buy a 100 of whatever I needed for a recipe. Alliant Steel does seem hard to get, lots of places sold out. Edited October 29, 2017 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted October 29, 2017 Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 I buy new hulls. 3" are a great hull to reload. That Levi stuff doesn't need fast speed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 Liads would be BBB around 34/35 gram as 36 gram won’t fit in. Speeds want to be quite fast 1500 fps range or quicker if possible without to much kick or muzzle flip. Be nice to get back on target quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 34-35-36g at 1500fps will recoil. No matter what Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 BBB @ 1500 fps is totally unnecessary. 1300 fps is plenty fast enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 (edited) So does that mean steel bbb loads going 1300 FPS could be loaded using Blue dot ? If Steel powder isnt available. Might be a silly question as Im new to this. I dont see how the shot type matters if the weight is the same ie lead steel or hw shot. Thank so far people for all your advice so far Been doing some sums and worked out using my once fired hulls I can reload a 35g bbb load in a 3 for around 30p unless I got it wrong working out how many grains loads per kilo powder etc. Now that to me to get a good load is a bargain. Edited October 30, 2017 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 A 35gm load of BBB going at 1300 fps should easily be achievable with blue dot. I would have slight reservations over pellet count, though. I doubt that a 35gm load would have 80 pellets - possibly 77. I would go for BB in that weight, and leave the BBB for 3 1/2". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 (edited) I can see me buying a cheap 31/2 pump for next season just for geese and keep the 3 Benelli semi for duck loads. Your count is spot on Motty Ill have to pattern some with my long range choke and see what I get. Edited October 30, 2017 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiler23 Posted November 5, 2017 Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 Any of you lads ever used #B shot ? If so how did you rate it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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