Lloyd90 Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 Appranrly they have just declared independence - just before the Spanish congress vote on whether to replace their leaders and go in and seize control of their finances, police force and media ... What are we looking at then? A coup? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 The smelly stuff may well hit the fan very soon now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 Here we go! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41780116 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted October 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 Might be some favourable trade deals for when we have Brexit now 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmytree Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 I really hope things stay calm but I think civil unrest is a real possibility, coupled with the actions of Spanish police it could get really ugly. Still no word from the EU? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriBsa Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 Glad I booked a North Korean holiday and not the Costa Brava now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) nicola spungeon is quiet...................................and the EU donald dusk has had a little utterance............... Edited October 27, 2017 by ditchman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) I really hope things stay calm but I think civil unrest is a real possibility, coupled with the actions of Spanish police it could get really ugly. Still no word from the EU?Why is there an obsession with the EU on this forum when it comes to domestic matters in Spain? The situation is full of huge uncertainty for the people of Spain with the regional and federal governments taking a polarised stance, what benefit would a soundbite from an EU bureacrat bring? Other than to give the PW anti EU faithful something to jar over Edited October 27, 2017 by grrclark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fern01 Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 That means nearly 20% of Spains GDP will be outside the EU. We should recognise them and do a trade deal real quick! A random thought - why doesn't Ms Krankie do the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) That means nearly 20% of Spains GDP will be outside the EU. We should recognise them and do a trade deal real quick! A random thought - why doesn't Ms Krankie do the same Declare UDI? As much as her fervent supporters may desire such an act, she has the sense to appreciate the majority of Scotland don't. Sadly she is not so sensible as to actually respect the outcome of the vote and stop banging on about it. Edited October 27, 2017 by grrclark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 Well I just hope there is no repeat of using the National Police like they did to spoil the referendum and no blood spilled! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 Glad I booked a North Korean holiday and not the Costa Brava now. LOL !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmytree Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 Why is there an obsession with the EU on this forum when it comes to domestic matters in Spain? The situation is full of huge uncertainty for the people of Spain with the regional and federal governments taking a polarised stance, what benefit would a soundbite from an EU bureacrat bring? Other than to give the PW anti EU faithful something to jar over I would have thought any situation that could bring instability to a member state would be subject to EU intervention or at least comment. Especially as Catalonia leaving Spain would leave Spain in a painful financial situation apparently. Potentially another country for Germany to bail out and blackmail? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 I would have thought any situation that could bring instability to a member state would be subject to EU intervention or at least comment. Especially as Catalonia leaving Spain would leave Spain in a painful financial situation apparently. Potentially another country for Germany to bail out and blackmail? So by that reasoning should the EU intervene in post Brexit vote Britain? I find it a little baffling that so often contributors to this forum have banged on about the EU overstepping the mark, yet in a couple of threads on this subject many have been critical of the EU for not getting involved in the problems of a sovereign state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 So by that reasoning should the EU intervene in post Brexit vote Britain? I find it a little baffling that so often contributors to this forum have banged on about the EU overstepping the mark, yet in a couple of threads on this subject many have been critical of the EU for not getting involved in the problems of a sovereign state. I think most people's comments about the EU's lack of involvement, are more about the blatant disregard for Human Rights, that just got ignored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 I think most people's comments about the EU's lack of involvement, are more about the blatant disregard for Human Rights, that just got ignored. What human rights were ignored? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 What human rights were ignored? Err the heavy handed police, beating people who were out to vote peacefully, regardless of whether it was a legal vote or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 john-claude-junker ...........has spoken................. he has said...........there are cracks in the EU as a result of the Catilonia issue...............................not excactly what he said ver-batum.....but "cracks and EU" in the same sentance.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 Err the heavy handed police, beating people who were out to vote peacefully, regardless of whether it was a legal vote or not. There was multiple statements made in respect to the heavy handed handed policing and also apologies from the federal Spanish government. It is still a sovereign issue and not one for public EU interference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tetlee Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 Glad I booked a North Korean holiday and not the Costa Brava now. Well, I hope you have had the regulation hair cut, otherwise you could end up in a re-education camp for 25 years.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 There was multiple statements made in respect to the heavy handed handed policing and also apologies from the federal Spanish government. It is still a sovereign issue and not one for public EU interference. An extract from article 3 of The European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) Article 3 – torture Main article: Article 3 of the European Convention on Human Rights Article 3 prohibits torture and "inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment". There are no exceptions or limitations on this right. This provision usually applies, apart from torture, to cases of severe police violence and poor conditions in detention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 An extract from article 3 of The European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) Article 3 – torture Main article: Article 3 of the European Convention on Human Rights Article 3 prohibits torture and "inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment". There are no exceptions or limitations on this right. This provision usually applies, apart from torture, to cases of severe police violence and poor conditions in detention. Oh boy that is a hell of a stretch to suggest that heavy handed policing in what is an extremely limited context could somehow be tantamount to some state level abrogation of human rights. Certainly there is likely sufficient cause for a few individual police officers to be prosecuted for assault in respect to their behaviour, however to suggest that Spain is in sufficient breach of the ECHR to merit EU involvement, based on the episode of a single day on 0.00002% of the Spanish population is quite frankly just a bit mental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 I daresay many of you will be delighted to hear Donald Tusk say the following: “For [the] EU nothing changes. Spain remains our only interlocutor,” Donald Tusk, the president of the European Council, said. However, Mr Tusk also cautioned against using force to restore order, urging the Spanish government to favour “force of argument, not argument of force”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 An extract from article 3 of The European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) The European Convention on Human Rights is an international treaty, not EU specific, and was set up after WW2. The Catalans could approach the European Court of Human Rights to pursue any claim. That claim would have to be against the Spanish government, not the EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 The European Convention on Human Rights is an international treaty, not EU specific, and was set up after WW2. The Catalans could approach the European Court of Human Rights to pursue any claim. That claim would have to be against the Spanish government, not the EU. So by that reasoning should the EU intervene in post Brexit vote Britain? I find it a little baffling that so often contributors to this forum have banged on about the EU overstepping the mark, yet in a couple of threads on this subject many have been critical of the EU for not getting involved in the problems of a sovereign state. I think most people's comments about the EU's lack of involvement, are more about the blatant disregard for Human Rights, that just got ignored. I was just pointing out that the EU said nothing to condemn the disregards to Human rights as the reason (imho) why people are commenting on the EU. not that they are accountable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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