yickdaz Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 On 22/02/2018 at 22:22, Jim Neal said: So what exactly does raising the comb height do? I'm interested because I've got the same gun but in 12 gauge and I can't hit a cow's bum with a banjo using it! Bought it a couple of years ago, I must have put at least 500 rounds through it so far - granted mostly at flighting/roosting pigeons so the cart/kill ration isn't going to be great - but still I know I'm at least a resonable shot with a standard 12ga and the amount I hit with the hushpower is pathetic! hushpowers shoot low naturally, because the shroud covering the barrel is nearly 1 inch above the point of aim of the actual barrel it covers so if you point straight at a static target in your eyeline the pattern will strike lower once it gets there, I reckon most of misses will be underneath a bird unless you don't give enough lead then it will be behind and underneath it, I was terrible with my 20g husher at first then I shot a few pattern plates and it sorted it out straight away, now I,m confident with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Neal Posted February 24, 2018 Report Share Posted February 24, 2018 (edited) Knowing virtually nothing about the gun, I just presumed they would have compensated for that with the sighting arrangement. Maybe not! The only thing with raising the comb height then is surely you'd have to "zero" your gun at a certain range? Your line of sight is no longer parallel with the line of fire, but crossing it at a certain point. So you're still going to be aiming too high or too low at closer or longer ranges. I'd probably go for 30yds and maybe try to compensate for it at different ranges. I'm presuming the sighting "trench" becomes obsolete raising the comb, you just usee the end sight bead I'll try agaman's method out this afternoon then, got some pipe lagging and gaffa tape in the shed! Edited February 24, 2018 by Jim Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yickdaz Posted February 24, 2018 Report Share Posted February 24, 2018 14 minutes ago, Jim Neal said: Knowing virtually nothing about the gun, I just presumed they would have compensated for that with the sighting arrangement. Maybe not! The only thing with raising the comb height then is surely you'd have to "zero" your gun at a certain range? Your line of sight is no longer parallel with the line of fire, but crossing it at a certain point. So you're still going to be aiming too high or too low at closer or longer ranges. I'd probably go for 30yds and maybe try to compensate for it at different ranges. I'm presuming the sighting "trench" becomes obsolete raising the comb, you just usee the end sight bead I'll try agaman's method out this afternoon then, got some pipe lagging and gaffa tape in the shed! exactly that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted February 24, 2018 Report Share Posted February 24, 2018 5 hours ago, Jim Neal said: Knowing virtually nothing about the gun, I just presumed they would have compensated for that with the sighting arrangement. Maybe not! The only thing with raising the comb height then is surely you'd have to "zero" your gun at a certain range? Your line of sight is no longer parallel with the line of fire, but crossing it at a certain point. So you're still going to be aiming too high or too low at closer or longer ranges. I'd probably go for 30yds and maybe try to compensate for it at different ranges. I'm presuming the sighting "trench" becomes obsolete raising the comb, you just usee the end sight bead I'll try agaman's method out this afternoon then, got some pipe lagging and gaffa tape in the shed! You don't have to zero your gun at any range .by raising your head .you are now looking along the shot line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Neal Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Ultrastu said: You don't have to zero your gun at any range .by raising your head .you are now looking along the shot line I don't get that. If I was previously sighting parallel with the line of fire but above it (hence the gun shooting low) and I move my eyes upwards without moving the front sight, I've introduced a downwards-angled line of sight relative to the line of fire. At some point, that line of sight will cross the line of fire? Anyhow, I did a bit of patterning today and discovered two reasons why my hit rate with the gun has been pretty poor. It shoots WAY low, and I mean about 12 inches at 30yds! Also, the pattern is extremely poor, with a very big spread and lots of gaps. Looks to me like it needs choking. I haven't looked yet what options if any there are for that. So I tried the pipe lagging bodge up, and after a couple more pattern tests found pretty much the right way to get my eye down it. At 30 yds I'm getting a reasonably on-target pattern if I line up the top ends of the "U" shaped sighting groove with the outline of the moderator tube. That's a massive difference to how I've been mounting the gun to shoot it previously. Unfortunatley not much opportunity to test it out in practice as I had other plans for shooting this afternoon, but I took the hushpower and ducked into a crow roost as the light went away... unfortunatley I think due to the biting cold easterly wind the crows had decided to use a different block of woods this evening, only a couple flew over at sensible shooting range, giving the chance of just one shot. Needless to say I missed!! I'll persevere. Edited February 25, 2018 by Jim Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yickdaz Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 47 minutes ago, Jim Neal said: I don't get that. If I was previously sighting parallel with the line of fire but above it (hence the gun shooting low) and I move my eyes upwards without moving the front sight, I've introduced a downwards-angled line of sight relative to the line of fire. At some point, that line of sight will cross the line of fire? Anyhow, I did a bit of patterning today and discovered two reasons why my hit rate with the gun has been pretty poor. It shoots WAY low, and I mean about 12 inches at 30yds! Also, the pattern is extremely poor, with a very big spread and lots of gaps. Looks to me like it needs choking. I haven't looked yet what options if any there are for that. So I tried the pipe lagging bodge up, and after a couple more pattern tests found pretty much the right way to get my eye down it. At 30 yds I'm getting a reasonably on-target pattern if I line up the top ends of the "U" shaped sighting groove with the outline of the moderator tube. That's a massive difference to how I've been mounting the gun to shoot it previously. Unfortunatley not much opportunity to test it out in practice as I had other plans for shooting this afternoon, but I took the hushpower and ducked into a crow roost as the light went away... unfortunatley I think due to the biting cold easterly wind the crows had decided to use a different block of woods this evening, only a couple flew over at sensible shooting range, giving the chance of just one shot. Needless to say I missed!! I'll persevere. hushpowers are usually full choked as standard so you shouldn't be lacking pattern Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 If your patterns are poor .take a look in the muzzle and make sure your pellets rent clipping the inside of the mod . (They did on mine and my mates 20b s )we sent them back and s&gr.reamed them out. A mil or so .this helped the patterns .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dasher Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 Just a small side note, my single Baikal Husher doesn't throw the greatest of patterns and that is as far as I'm aware due to too much choke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aga man Posted February 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 Try patterning a few different cartridges Jim Neal, 1oz of 6 or 7 should be plenty good enough. Sounds like you are heading in the right direction though. Keep on persevering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
getthegat Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 Mine was about a foot low as well, or a good 8 - 10 inches anyway and gave a poor pattern. I believe mine is 3/4 choke, but with the mods I described earlier, ( yeah so it may not win a beauty prize) plus lighter load, at 30 yards I'm bang on with an improved pattern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Neal Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 I forgot to say, cartridges used were eley subsonic 32g 5s. I have some of the 28g 7.5s but didn’t have them with me to compare (or really the time) I’ll try patterning the lighter load when I get time How do I find out what choke level it is set up with? How do I tell if the shot is clipping the moderator? Apologies, I seem to have hijacked the thread ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 To find out the choke you have to remove the mod (not easily done ) And just look in the end of the mod to see if there are small chunks chipped out of the aliminium end cap . This was what mine looked like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Neal Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 (edited) Wow that's quite severe! Haven't noticed that on mine but then again I haven't really been looking for the problem. Will check later. Now it's mentioned, I do recall once or twice having something rattling around inside the moderator after using the gun, could well have been a stray pellet deflected back inside. Thought nothing of it really, the offending pellet probably fell out when I unscrewed the moderator to put the gun away and I've forgotten about it. Edited February 26, 2018 by Jim Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 4 hours ago, Jim Neal said: Wow that's quite severe! Haven't noticed that on mine but then again I haven't really been looking for the problem. Will check later. Now it's mentioned, I do recall once or twice having something rattling around inside the moderator after using the gun, could well have been a stray pellet deflected back inside. Thought nothing of it really, the offending pellet probably fell out when I unscrewed the moderator to put the gun away and I've forgotten about it. The thing rattling around will almost certainly have been a bit of wad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 7 minutes ago, motty said: The thing rattling around will almost certainly have been a bit of wad. As the man says ........ bits of wad , empty it out on a sheet of paper and see for yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 My Husher was full of bits of wad, or more precisely bits of plastic obturator (the powder cup base part of a plastic wad used in place of a nitro card for better performance with fibre wads) that shredded on the barrel porting as it made its way up the barrel. Full plastic wads get really beaten up so I don't use them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Neal Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 I've only ever shot fibre wads through it, if that's anything to go by. Not sure if plastic would make the sort of noise I remember, it did sound like something small heavy and metallic. Anyway no matter, I looked at the end of the moderator last night, nothing like the photo shown above but maybe a tiny little sign of perforation in just one place. On the whole doesn't look like shot is catching it on the way out. I'll pattern the 28g 7.5s at the weekend and see if there's much difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aga man Posted February 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Jim Neal said: I'll pattern the 28g 7.5s at the weekend and see if there's much difference I dare say you will see quite a difference. Keep us posted. Edited February 27, 2018 by aga man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxwell Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 On 25/02/2018 at 00:55, yickdaz said: hushpowers are usually full choked as standard so you shouldn't be lacking pattern I found different cartridges gave totally different patterns at 30 yards, the Eley were buy far the best for me and the hulls worst with huge gaps, identical test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 I take it you fired at least 5 carts of each and made an average conclusion from that .as opposed to the single shot method as often seen .That's a bit like taking 1 shot with a rifle .And thinking thats exactly where all the other bullets are gonna go . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxwell Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 9 minutes ago, Ultrastu said: I take it you fired at least 5 carts of each and made an average conclusion from that .as opposed to the single shot method as often seen .That's a bit like taking 1 shot with a rifle .And thinking thats exactly where all the other bullets are gonna go . Correct, as with all my testing I am thorough as half measures are a waste of time and effort and conclude nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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