Ultrastu Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 Pink is a 900 fps. 25 cal 25 grn jsb Red is a 900 fps .22 cal 16 grn jsb Blue is a 900 fps .177 cal 8.4 grn jsb Green is a 780 fps .177 cal 8.4 grn jsb 2Pink is a 900 fps. 25 cal 25 grn jsb Red is a 900 fps .22 cal 16 grn jsb Blue is a 900 fps .177 cal 8.4 grn jsb Green is a 780 fps .177 cal 8.4 grn jsb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 As you can see there is only an inch difference in trajectory at 70 yds between a high bc .25 cal (0.035 ) and lower bc. 177 (0.021 ) The .22 sitting between them . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 Impressive. Esp as 60y is the 'golden distance' for my needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 cheers Stu. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 This graph is the trajectory difference between sub 12 .22 red sub 12 .177 blue .fac .177 (15 fpe .blue ) and fac .22 (28 fpe pink) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 Excalibre - now that's one sexy gun. Scrap the Daystate and just fondle the RWS. Long wait for Daystate is ,most likely, due to them having to source parts from wherever they can get them cheapest, plus the fact that ,by the time your gun is built, it's been superseded by another model (and £10 says that will be a limited edition). Put some pics up of the real gun here.....RWS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 This is the retained energy out to 50 yds for the above pellets. As you can see the fac .22 loses about 10 fpe from 28 -18 over 50 yds .the sub 12 . (Same pellet ) loses only 3.5 fpe. And exceeds the fac .177 in energy past 60 yds. If the end goal was to retain the most energy you can while being efficient with air usage .then a high bc pellet shot relativley slowly would be best so say a .25 cal jsb heavy shot around 20 fpe . But slow and heavy leads to deep penetration of quarry .and depending on the kill zone .that can be either benificial or a hindrance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 I have a Daystate Huntsman FAC .22 set at 30ftlb with Bisley magnums that is in a beautiful stock and in mint condition that I am planning to sell in the coming months. Its never missed a beat but my clay shooting is taking over and so I would like to free up the cash to invest in clay shooting. If its of interest to you please PM me for details ! ATB Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 3 hours ago, bruno22rf said: Excalibre - now that's one sexy gun. Scrap the Daystate and just fondle the RWS. Long wait for Daystate is ,most likely, due to them having to source parts from wherever they can get them cheapest, plus the fact that ,by the time your gun is built, it's been superseded by another model (and £10 says that will be a limited edition). Put some pics up of the real gun here.....RWS. I'm led to believe there the same gun or similar? Number 181, not hard to see why people think that Rapids are ugly with woodwork like this. Just hope she performs once I've done the seals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 3 hours ago, Ultrastu said: This is the retained energy out to 50 yds for the above pellets. As you can see the fac .22 loses about 10 fpe from 28 -18 over 50 yds .the sub 12 . (Same pellet ) loses only 3.5 fpe. And exceeds the fac .177 in energy past 60 yds. If the end goal was to retain the most energy you can while being efficient with air usage .then a high bc pellet shot relativley slowly would be best so say a .25 cal jsb heavy shot around 20 fpe . But slow and heavy leads to deep penetration of quarry .and depending on the kill zone .that can be either benificial or a hindrance. What about performance in the wind? They cant be a scratch on the 'windproof' 22LR surely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 wouldn't think so but your not using 40 plus grain bullets, horses for courses. 22 minutes ago, DC177 said: What about performance in the wind? They cant be a scratch on the 'windproof' 22LR surely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 True. 40Gn @ 95ftlb cant be used everywhere! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 Maybe an Air Arms S410/510? Not regulated? Easy to get professionally repaired at reasonable cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 Why is it that it's only people that moan about Daystate? All the vermin i've shot with my .25 doing 45ft lbs haven't even flinched an inch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 looks nice that, like a souped up rapid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 Stick to something around 30 ft lb with 16 grain bullets and you won't be dissatisfied. You will average round 30 shots with most makes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 Problem is that its not really in the £500 region is it ? As per the op s question . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Mice! said: looks nice that, like a souped up rapid Shot a .22 rapid for years. Good guns but agricultural compared to this. Go on trade upwards you know you want too! Edited January 4, 2018 by Whitebridges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 22 minutes ago, Ultrastu said: Problem is that its not really in the £500 region is it ? As per the op s question . Alright Ultrastu i’m a tad off topic. Do you ever add an opinion that wades off the subject a bit ? I think you do. FAC air guns do not hold strong second hand value. They are often traded in a rediculously low values and often sit in the racks of gun dealers who want to shift them. There are big bargains out there if you know how to barter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 I bought a one year old Airwolf .22 (40fpe) for just £500 from a dealer. Not a bad price I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 25 minutes ago, Whitebridges said: Alright Ultrastu i’m a tad off topic. Do you ever add an opinion that wades off the subject a bit ? I think you do. FAC air guns do not hold strong second hand value. They are often traded in a rediculously low values and often sit in the racks of gun dealers who want to shift them. There are big bargains out there if you know how to barter. Fair enough mate .sorry I wasn't trying to criticise . I have a £1000 plus wildcat. It's awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.C Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 There's 410's in fac. 22 aplenty on guntrader Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgewizard Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Whitebridges said: Why is it that it's only people that moan about Daystate? All the vermin i've shot with my .25 doing 45ft lbs haven't even flinched an inch. Realy nice rifles,i cant fault mine i have a x2 and regal xl in 40 ftlbs which are both deadly accurate they are both .22 realy nice stock you have on yours looks good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgewizard Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 9 hours ago, bruno22rf said: Excalibre - now that's one sexy gun. Scrap the Daystate and just fondle the RWS. Long wait for Daystate is ,most likely, due to them having to source parts from wherever they can get them cheapest, plus the fact that ,by the time your gun is built, it's been superseded by another model (and £10 says that will be a limited edition). Put some pics up of the real gun here.....RWS. Excalibre is a nice rifle i wouldnt mind getting it tuned to fac power one day not sure what i could get it up to though, still like my daystates havnt had any problems yet apart from one breech seal on the x2 in 10 years and find them deadly accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 22 hours ago, Ultrastu said: Fair enough mate .sorry I wasn't trying to criticise . I have a £1000 plus wildcat. It's awesome. Is that the bullpuppy? A picture would be nice? I tried to communicate with FX and their dealers about the forth coming Crown. They didn't like me. In fact they were bloody rude and never even bothered to get back to me. They seem focused on the American market. So, i've binned them as an option. Roll on Daystate much better customer service! 22 hours ago, oowee said: I bought a one year old Airwolf .22 (40fpe) for just £500 from a dealer. Not a bad price I think. Totally a Billy Bargain. Well done you ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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