Dave-G Posted February 6, 2018 Report Share Posted February 6, 2018 (edited) I used to use 40 grain winnies but havent got any lately. They had a good expansion rate due to the large hole in the projectile and the decent wound channel can make up for a bit of ranging error on the kill zone. I've heard the 42 grain one's sometimes go supersonic and have fliers. I've recently tried RWS HP's - they'd just as well have no hole because its so tiny it doesnt expand. They are more accurate than the winnies and would seem to be great for paper punching which I don't do. Ficcohi hollow point subs look to have a decent size expansion hole - can anyone on here give any feedback on them? Any opinions on on other brands? Any thought on this please? Edited February 6, 2018 by Dave-G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wb123 Posted February 6, 2018 Report Share Posted February 6, 2018 I have had just as many supersonic 42g winchesters as I had with the 40g ones. Not tried fiocchi but like eley subsonic hollow points very much. Significantly quieter than anything else I have tried and more accurate, though they seem to drop more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted February 6, 2018 Report Share Posted February 6, 2018 Cci segmented are the best by miles as they brake into 3 bits on impact . Just hope your gun likes em . They have performed very well in cz barrels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisheruk Posted February 6, 2018 Report Share Posted February 6, 2018 No difference between 40g and 42g Winnies as far as i’m Concerned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drut Posted February 6, 2018 Report Share Posted February 6, 2018 15 minutes ago, Fisheruk said: No difference between 40g and 42g Winnies as far as i’m Concerned Possibly BUT 42g Winnies will not reliably feed through my Brno 581 whereas 40g were fine,still using them up through my CZ 452.Possibly from a poor batch as they are none too accurate although they certainly hit hard when they do connect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted February 6, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2018 Is it reasonable to assume the 42 grain bullet protrudes a tad further out the case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drut Posted February 6, 2018 Report Share Posted February 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Dave-G said: Is it reasonable to assume the 42 grain bullet protrudes a tad further out the case? Never compared the two as I had no 40gn left but I have a feeling it may well, however I think the feeding issue in the 581has more to do with the squarer/less tapered shape of the bullet.Possibly tweaking the magazine lips would help but as the gun has no problems with RWS subs(much more accurate)and CCi segs(just as accurate+harder hitting)I have not bothered.A few years ago I either bought Winnies or Eleys and had no probs but now have had issues with both.RWS subs,although I find consistent and accurate,also seem to lack the range and hitting power of the old Winnies so I use them for brain/head shots at short to medium ranges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigeon Shredder. Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 17 hours ago, Dave-G said: Is it reasonable to assume the 42 grain bullet protrudes a tad further out the case? No, l just measured both and from stock and the overall length for both was between .978/.980. From tip to rim was from .940/.942. Hole diamension.068/.073. So pretty consistent external dimensions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted February 13, 2018 Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 I have only ever used Winchester Sub Sonic since they were 38gr. I haven’t tried the 42gr as I still have 1100 of the 40gr to use up. They’ve always been spot on for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted February 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 Thanks chaps - seems winnies are still in the game then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfireboy Posted February 13, 2018 Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 On 06/02/2018 at 19:46, Ultrastu said: Cci segmented are the best by miles as they brake into 3 bits on impact . Just hope your gun likes em . They have performed very well in cz barrels. As Stu says, they’re very good if your gun likes them. My anschutz however, spits them all over the place, but I know that they do work well when they connect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haynes Posted February 13, 2018 Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 I use the rws subs as they are the most accurate in my cz. Expansions nothing if you can't hit the mark. The rabbits don't seems to know the difference between the two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazycooker Posted February 13, 2018 Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 The fiochhi are excellent in my cz455 bullet on bullet never had a flier yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasps57 Posted February 13, 2018 Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 As above-RWS do the job in my CZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 13, 2018 Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 Magtech 40g HP. The HP is massive, expands very well and does the job . I used to use them all the time when few knew of them, they were cheap, but are far from cheap now, worth a try if you can find someone selling them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted February 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Dekers said: Magtech 40g HP. The HP is massive, expands very well and does the job . I used to use them all the time when few knew of them, they were cheap, but are far from cheap now, worth a try if you can find someone selling them! Yes I've had some of them in the past. As you say massive hole with a big smack on contact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Prawn Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 Eley subs for my CZ 452! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris1961 Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 My toz78 04 likes cci sub hp very acurate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upandatem Posted March 2, 2018 Report Share Posted March 2, 2018 On 06/02/2018 at 19:37, Dave-G said: I used to use 40 grain winnies but havent got any lately. They had a good expansion rate due to the large hole in the projectile and the decent wound channel can make up for a bit of ranging error on the kill zone. I've heard the 42 grain one's sometimes go supersonic and have fliers. I've recently tried RWS HP's - they'd just as well have no hole because its so tiny it doesnt expand. They are more accurate than the winnies and would seem to be great for paper punching which I don't do. Ficcohi hollow point subs look to have a decent size expansion hole - can anyone on here give any feedback on them? Any opinions on on other brands? Any thought on this please? try eley subs hollow point very good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted March 2, 2018 Report Share Posted March 2, 2018 (edited) My cz511 used to love winnie subs until a while ago then something changed and the grouping opened up, I changed to RWS which were very accurate and consistant but my rfd stopped stocking them, I'm now on eley subs which are performing aswell as the winnies used to and have a good HP. Edited March 2, 2018 by thepasty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris1961 Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 One for eley sub hp a ot better than they used to be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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