Kraai Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 Here in belgium the price of the layvale steel is gone up with 20€ per slab of 250 carts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon controller Posted February 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 hour ago, motty said: I also found the Express pretty good. Unfortunately, Alliant steel is not cost effective. I will try to find a recipe that will cost far less. I'm sure that someone on the forum can help. Your 32 gm loads should have exactly that in them! As steel is not as dense as lead (around 7.8gm per cc as opposed to lead's 11.3) you will get more pellets per ounce. You could cut down on cost a little by loading up an ounce of steel 4/5 and still produce a good killing cartridge. How much were your Express cartridges? We were paying £226 per thousand but under certain conditons we may be aable to get them at£200 per K As stated in my original post the powder in them is light green squares not the black granular like Allient Steel. I was told that you needed Alliant to get the speed that is required for steel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muncher Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 Speed isn't everything in steel , 1250 ,1300 is plenty especially with 4s on woodies. Aliant will not drop accurately through a loading bush ,I would think you could use ssbl50 powder for you steel loads lead loads AO would be a lot cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 Pigeon, What are you exactly wanting to reload. Your posts jump around with alliance steel, steel shells, and lead. There are a lot of 12-70mm 32g lead subsonic data. I'm baffled by this thread, the powder charges quoted are factory. Cook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 31 minutes ago, pigeon controller said: We were paying £226 per thousand but under certain conditons we may be aable to get them at£200 per K As stated in my original post the powder in them is light green squares not the black granular like Allient Steel. I was told that you needed Alliant to get the speed that is required for steel. Express used to load Steel cartridges with Vectan AO powder which is what I'd personally use as opposed to Alliant Steel Powder which I'd save for Wildfowling loads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 WHO 37 minutes ago, pigeon controller said: We were paying £226 per thousand but under certain conditons we may be aable to get them at£200 per K As stated in my original post the powder in them is light green squares not the black granular like Allient Steel. I was told that you needed Alliant to get the speed that is required for steel. 37 minutes ago, pigeon controller said: We were paying £226 per thousand but under certain conditons we may be aable to get them at£200 per K As stated in my original post the powder in them is light green squares not the black granular like Allient Steel. I was told that you needed Alliant to get the speed that is required for steel. Whoever told you that was incorrect. As i said before, speed is required, but not too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kraai Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 just check the price list here in belgium 2017 the were 240€ per 1000 now in 2018 the are 350 € per 1000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landofficer Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 If ssb150 can produce a 32g load with a bit of speed it would be good. Have been looking at other powders that can produce fast loads but as said it would cost a fortune to make them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catamong Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 On 25/02/2018 at 20:55, Kraai said: just check the price list here in belgium 2017 the were 240€ per 1000 now in 2018 the are 350 € per 1000 Zut alors...! The Hunting & Fishing Hypermarket chain in France, (Terre et Eaux), are currently selling a very nice 28g steel load in No 7 shot for 184.40 Euros per 1000, (about £167.00 Sterling). These are an excellent load for pigeons over decoys at sensible ranges, but obviously not long range wildfowl. I will be buying a few when I'm next over there in a couple of weeks. I've tried heavier steel loads in bigger shot sizes for pigeons, but they don't kill birds over decoys as well as the smaller sized pellets. Cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kraai Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 6 minutes ago, Catamong said: Zut alors...! The Hunting & Fishing Hypermarket chain in France, (Terre et Eaux), are currently selling a very nice 28g steel load in No 7 shot for 184.40 Euros per 1000, (about £167.00 Sterling). These are an excellent load for pigeons over decoys at sensible ranges, but obviously not long range wildfowl. I will be buying a few when I'm next over there in a couple of weeks. I've tried heavier steel loads in bigger shot sizes for pigeons, but they don't kill birds over decoys as well as the smaller sized pellets. Cat. Thanks mate. Over decoys i shoot alot of rio blue steel 28gr nr 6 the cost around 186 euro per 1000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 13 hours ago, landofficer said: If ssb150 can produce a 32g load with a bit of speed it would be good. Have been looking at other powders that can produce fast loads but as said it would cost a fortune to make them. You don't need "fast loads". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon controller Posted February 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 21 minutes ago, motty said: You don't need "fast loads". Hi Motty, The express hunting steel that I'm trying to replicate is a 32gram steel and runs at 1375. Which I do not consider fast. thanks for your input Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, pigeon controller said: Hi Motty, The express hunting steel that I'm trying to replicate is a 32gram steel and runs at 1375. Which I do not consider fast. thanks for your input Plenty quick enough. Should be relatively easy to replicate. As I mentioned before, with the increased number of pellets with steel, you could easily opt for 28 or 30 gm. Lighter loads are also easier to push quicker, should you feel so inclined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody walloper Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 cut one or two open id the powder and wad, you have got the case and the steel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 that may even be vectan A0 for the 32g steel load. i couldnt say but vectan A0 is compatable with steel shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 i checked noblesports website, they updated and have no steel shot data. even the techna data is gone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon controller Posted February 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 This is the Lyavale Express 32gram Steel I'm trying to replicate Any Ideas?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 Used to reload a few many years ago but would not know where to start with steel but had a quick look at reloading steel cartridges and I came across 'The Steel Shot Company' you may have already seen this but apparently they are a father and son business and founders of Gamebore, if you have not already seen it here’s a link, when there click the link to their store, bottom left…http://www.steel-shot.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muncher Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) Looks like a b and p wad so that's easy to get ,shot easy to get powder I believe you could load AO 30 gram loads, I will ask my brother he used to load a lot of these sort of loads , I will get back to you. Edited February 27, 2018 by muncher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pinfireman Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 6 hours ago, old'un said: Used to reload a few many years ago but would not know where to start with steel but had a quick look at reloading steel cartridges and I came across 'The Steel Shot Company' you may have already seen this but apparently they are a father and son business and founders of Gamebore, if you have not already seen it here’s a link, when there click the link to their store, bottom left…http://www.steel-shot.com/ That is Clay & Game! Same company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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