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A couple of years ago I posted on here about American E shot, which for home loaders that dont like steel seem to be ideal, heavier than lead, loaded as lead [fibre wads etc]  and for use in your old Purdeys, the loads did kill on the few occasions i was on target. If anyones interested i will do a few patterns and penetration comparisons 

http://www.bucksrunsports.com/Reloading_Specialties_Inc/New!_American_Shot.html

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48 minutes ago, grahamch said:

Have tried 3 or 4 makes of steel RC, Eley, Gamebore and Hull on duck, pheasant, crows and geese and not had a clean kill.

l wont shoot steel due to that so will really have no alternative to packing up unless bismuth goose loads are available

 

That is what is known as "operator error".

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42 minutes ago, grahamch said:

Dont think so. All is fine with lead, itm etc

How do you explain several shots with steel without a clean kill? How do you explain the countless thousands of others who use it with no such problems?

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5 hours ago, grahamch said:

Dont think so. All is fine with lead, itm etc

I was initially sceptical about steel, but I've found it very effective and if the right load is used it kills cleanly at the maximum ranges that I want to shoot at.  I also occasionally use Bismuth which I like,  but I'm not so sure about ITM having had mixed results with this to date.  Suspect it's a patterning issue and I'll do some more (expensive) work on this over the summer.

One man's meat is another man's poison etc...

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Im no fan of steel but shooting waterfowl i use gamebore steel as its the law and one other thing All these experts gun traders/ PW Members etc who say your gun has to be steel proofed to shot any kind of steel shot STRANGE i put 36g steel through my AYA NO3 Magnum made 1979 every wildfowling season here in N Irealand never had any barrels scored damaged etc I Think theres a lot of shooters who read stories out there then panic :ninja:

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Gerry.

There are potentially 2 versions of cartridges. Those 740map and 1050map, that's HP. 

I'm betting your gun is suitable the former. HP shells can have a map of up to 1050bar, but I can guess they are lower. 

I'm not being disrespectful, maybe 10% of shooters actually know about steel shot / HP / whatever. There are a few posts come up and it is clear there is minimal education, regarding shells.

That's a fact.

What grade shells are you using?

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5 hours ago, cookoff013 said:

Gerry.

There are potentially 2 versions of cartridges. Those 740map and 1050map, that's HP. 

I'm betting your gun is suitable the former. HP shells can have a map of up to 1050bar, but I can guess they are lower. 

I'm not being disrespectful, maybe 10% of shooters actually know about steel shot / HP / whatever. There are a few posts come up and it is clear there is minimal education, regarding shells.

That's a fact.

What grade shells are you using?

The 36gm are classed as HP.

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Ok then with this talk of steel proof. I have recently bought a steel proof Fabarm S/A with lots of chokes,  all chokes tighter than modified, have "not suitable for steel", stamped on them,  is this the makers being over cautious and can i stick some BB through the full..;)

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16 minutes ago, islandgun said:

Ok then with this talk of steel proof. I have recently bought a steel proof Fabarm S/A with lots of chokes,  all chokes tighter than modified, have "not suitable for steel", stamped on them,  is this the makers being over cautious and can i stick some BB through the full..;)

seriously?

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6 minutes ago, islandgun said:

Would that be with the Exis or Inner HP tubes mate,  as I said most of the chokes supplied are explicitly marked as not suitable for steel

I would get external chokes for using BB. I would 100% use full, then.

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5 minutes ago, motty said:

I would get external chokes for using BB. I would 100% use full, then.

I'm not a fan of Big shot so hardly use it But Motty is correct if you look on some extra full chokes they state as suitable.

I've also had the Steel full ( eg ) miced up and they are the same constriction as a Full Lead

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I think I need to buy the Exis [trade name] chokes in light full and full if it differs from the 2 modified that are said to be full steel that i already have. It was always my intention to load and pattern shot sizes bb to 4 through all the chokes that came with gun, I expect it will take some time  :yes: Thanks for all info 

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Mines an older Eurolion which I think is proofed 1370 bar,  one of the reasons i bought it [rfd] was because it has 8 chokes and i was keen to do some experimenting, regarding shot size, patterns, penetration etc, unfortunately i found that all chokes over 1/2 or modified  were not suitable for steel

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