shock collers

[scutt]

on politics program today a ban  by the Scottish gov. on e collars  for dogs one gent proclaimed that this would also ban the type of device that is used to keep dogs in your garden you burry the wire around your boundary and the dog gets a warning beep as it gets close to it then a shock/vibration if it crosses it in the hope it will learn to keep away from the boundary and not escape  to then get run over on a road.  the minister on this program did not say if he was right to believe this to be the case.Now not after thoughts on the right or wrongs of E collars BUT will this affect the use of electric fences that are used around pens or horse paddocks or even for creep feeding for sheep. 

Edited March 19, 2018 by scutt

[Walker570]

You can bet it will because these numties don't actually live in the real world.  There is a nature strip on the back page of the Telegraph and you get some bunny hugger writing on there about shortage of bumble bees, everything but badgers mentioned as the reason. Watervole numbers declining, no mention that a big part of the problem is the releasing of mink into the environment by these idiots.  The underground boundary wire system is very good and the dog soon learns not to venture too far in that direction.   I saw specialist using the shock collars to de snake young dogs to save them getting bitten by rattlers out in Texas. Very Very effective and that dog would avoid any snake for the rest of it's life AND  a spin off would alert its owner to the presence of a snake.   Unfortunately the collars have been black listed because they have become the means of last resort where owners have totally failed in the first place and in my view SHOULD be banned for all but top Professional use if really necessary.

[CharlieT]

The simple answer, as an electric fence user, NO, electric fences are not a dog training aid.

[Walker570]

Only dogs not bitches   Seen a few break the sound barrier as they relieved themselves

[scutt]

1 hour ago, CharlieT said:

The simple answer, as an electric fence user, NO, electric fences are not a dog training aid.

I know that and so do you but Iam talking about a gov minister .Who could insist that elect fences are a training aid they train animals not to touch

[CharlieT]

The legislation is specifically worded in relation to electronic training aids (e-collars) and other training aids for dogs.

 

The proposed draft wording is:

“Training which includes unpleasant stimuli or physical punishment can cause pain, suffering and distress.

These techniques can compromise dog welfare, lead to aggressive responses and worsen the problems that they aim to address. Particular methods to avoid include: physical punishment, including the use of electronic collars to administer an electric shock; anti-bark collars, which may mask or aggravate underlying behavioural or health issues; and any device that squirts noxious oils or other chemicals that interfere with your dog’s acute sense of smell.

Causing unnecessary suffering is an offence under the Animal Health and Welfare (Scotland) Act 2006. This includes suffering caused by inappropriate training methods.”

[m3vert]

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and any device that squirts noxious oils or other chemicals that interfere with your dog’s acute sense of smell.

With this part in mind, will it also then become unlawful for the Anti brigade to spray citronella around the hounds when out trail hunting??