old man Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 Reported a self drive operated by Uber involved? Further trials stopped as female pedestrian killed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lister22 Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 thoughts are with the family self drive cars open pandora`s box imho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 Is self drive in this case driverless? I thought selfdrive were a car you hire and drive yourself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seph234 Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/19/technology/uber-driverless-fatality.html Self driving car that has a human safety driver at the wheel!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 33 minutes ago, seph234 said: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/19/technology/uber-driverless-fatality.html Self driving car that has a human safety driver at the wheel!!! Neither were safe. The safety driver was possibly not concentrating and expected the car to automatically brake etc. Thoughts are with the friends and family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 I just don’t like the idea of them at all but I can see that in time they will be a ‘thing’. As for the pedestrian fatality we don’t know what’s gone on but I remain mindful that if someone just steps out in front of your car with no warning then even if you had the reactions of Lewis Hamilton after 3 cans of Redbull that pedestrian is still going to get hit and end up bouncing off your car. Some accidents are unavoidable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 Lots of people are terrible drivers anyways! Can’t stay in their lane when on round abouts or turning, speeding excessively, hitting curbs etc number of people you see on their phones as you go to work is insane anything that makes people pay even less attention when driving is surely a terrible idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krugerandsmith Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 5 hours ago, Lloyd90 said: Lots of people are terrible drivers anyways! Can’t stay in their lane when on round abouts or turning, speeding excessively, hitting curbs etc number of people you see on their phones as you go to work is insane anything that makes people pay even less attention when driving is surely a terrible idea You never mentioned.... don't know where their indicators are....lazy s..s. These people really annoy me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 Anything that Uber does is going to be suspect to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 What the hell was the human "safety driver" doing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 27 minutes ago, walshie said: What the hell was the human "safety driver" doing? If you had a driverless car and you saw an object or person in the road up ahead, would you apply the brake yourself? (Which defeats the point) or would you think “I don’t need to, the car will brake itself!” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 We haven't got the full script. If the Uber car was in auto mode or whether the driver was in control - if someone steps in front of a car, it isn't always possible to stop in time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sierra 11 Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 It's a quite clever sales trick really, the car manufacturers stroking modern man's desire to be able blame someone else. " It wasn't me who ran her over, the car should have stopped " That's it, not my fault...blame the car.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Gordon R said: We haven't got the full script. If the Uber car was in auto mode or whether the driver was in control - if someone steps in front of a car, it isn't always possible to stop in time. It does say in the article, that the car was in auto mode with a safety driver, travelling at around 40 mph and showed no signs of slowing before the impact. Edited March 20, 2018 by Newbie to this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpringDon Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 About 99 other people will die today on the roads in America. Even an autonomous car can’t suspend the laws of physics. If these things become widespread, more accidents will happen. But probably less than current numbers, so that’s a good thing right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanBettin Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) It's a terrible accident, horrific for the family no doubt. That said, to condemn any development/use of self-driving cars is a knee-jerk reaction. They will be safer, that's a fact. The AI behind these machines is going to have to make some tricky decisions at times and will ultimately have to choose who to hurt in unavoidable accidents (when people run out into the road, for example) but generally speaking, they'll be a lot safer than a person. They'll not use their phone, drive drunk, and will be able to make decisions a lot faster than us without emotion to cloud any judgement. This story's going to be sensationalised, and rightly so I guess - but statistically speaking, they'll be safer. Edited March 20, 2018 by DanBettin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 2 hours ago, walshie said: What the hell was the human "safety driver" doing? Reading a newspaper? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Lloyd90 said: If you had a driverless car and you saw an object or person in the road up ahead, would you apply the brake yourself? (Which defeats the point) or would you think “I don’t need to, the car will brake itself!” I see that of course, but I'm sure I'd brake if the car looked like it wasn't going to. What's the point of a safety driver if he doesn't make the thing safe? Maybe he should change his job title to "accident witness". I'm sure airline pilots wouldn't let the plane smash into a mountain whether or not it was on auto pilot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) There was a man on LBC talking about this with the presenter Nick Ferrari. He pointed out that Uber are testing their systems in the simplest driving environment imaginable. I have spent time in Arizona and he is absolutely right. Huge wide straight deserted roads, bright clear sunshine, even the towns are unsophisticated, a couple of intersections with lights is about as complicated as it ever gets. Yet they still manage to knock down and kill a woman pushing a bike. He said now compare that with any European City with horrendously complicated traffic systems, ring roads and dark wet winter conditions in the rush hour. These software systems are so far off becoming viable its a complete non starter. The game at the moment is to gain top dog status for one of the rival operating software systems. Which ever protocol eventually becomes the adopted system (and there has to be only one worldwide) will earn untold billions in licencing fees for ever and ever. Microsoft did it with DOS, Google did it with search engines, Ebay and Amazon did it in their respective fields. This is because once one protocol becomes established it can never be super ceded by a rival because how can you manage the change over? So the potential earning power is incalculable. He also made another very good point, has anybody ever asked us, the consumer, whether we want driverless cars? Its going to be our pockets that the money all has to come out of one way or another. Or is it 'big brother' imposing its vision upon us, not us demanding something because it benefits us. We know why they want us to have it - money! but what do we get out of it? Edited March 20, 2018 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 Quote It does say in the article, that the car was in auto mode with a safety driver, travelling at around 40 mph and showed no signs of slowing before the impact. I am aware, but I do not know if she strolled into the path of the car or jumped suddenly and got hit before it had chance to brake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 On 3/20/2018 at 07:51, krugerandsmith said: You never mentioned.... don't know where their indicators are....lazy s..s. These people really annoy me. BMW drivers don’t need to indicate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loriusgarrulus Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/uber-crash-video-taxi-self-driving-autonomous-vehicle-footage-images-arizona-a8267946.html This is released video just up to the accident. Looks possibly like system failure and inattentive human operator. Although it doesn't state if there is an operator quick overide. Thoughts are with the deceased family. RIP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted March 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 Looks like another push to tell about the latest technological advances tonight. ITV news I think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 Apparently the car was speeding doing 40 mph in a 35 mph zone, surely the technology knew the speed limit of the road, also the safety driver had recently be done for jumping a red light, hardly the actions of a safety driver and watching the video in the link above, he is paying very little attention to the road, just mainly looking at what I can only presume is his phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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