Old farrier Posted July 29, 2018 Report Share Posted July 29, 2018 (edited) Thought I should add one of mine a little earlier than gunman’s time on them ? Edited July 29, 2018 by Old farrier Better picture Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AYA117 Posted July 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 On 29/07/2018 at 16:13, Lloyd90 said: I’m back in the club picked up a Master side by side 12 Bore today that belonged to a good friend of mine before he died a few weeks back ? its only a cheapish gun but I wanted a cheap side by side that was nice and light for training my new spaniel so will be ideal and a good keep sake to remember my mate! Good to have you back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted July 30, 2018 Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 1 hour ago, AYA117 said: Good to have you back Cheers - it’s got a metal butt plate on the bloody thing ... not sure whether to get it to a gun smith and ask them to fit a padded recoil pad instead or not ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AYA117 Posted July 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 metal is no different to wood or hard plastic, see how you get on with it first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.C Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 Very nice O F, what age is it? Lovely bit of engraving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Mr.C said: Very nice O F, what age is it? Lovely bit of engraving. Think it’s about 1920 as it has London and Birmingham on the rib although someone may have more information than me unusual as it has long barrels most were 28 and this one is 30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJsDad Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 4 hours ago, Old farrier said: Think it’s about 1920 Hi Old farrier. I have a book on Webley & Scott written by a chap who was a past Director . If you want to PM me the serial number I may be able to narrow the date down if its of interest. Cheers JJsDad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 38 minutes ago, JJsDad said: Hi Old farrier. I have a book on Webley & Scott written by a chap who was a past Director . If you want to PM me the serial number I may be able to narrow the date down if its of interest. Cheers JJsDad Thank you so much you’re a star I’ll get it out again later and send you the number always interested in the history of the Guns All the best of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJsDad Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 Hi Old farrier. Your serial number dates your gun between 1916 & 1920. Gun number 9200 dates from 1916 and the next number jump was to 9300 in 1920. Bearing in mind this was in the middle of WW1, I would have thought W&S were inundated with orders for war related products and therefore it is likely to be circa 1919 gun, which is much as you expected. From your photo`s, it would appear to be what was initially known as a `Proprietary` model grade 2. These were later given the number designation of Model 400 and were produced from 1900 through to 1946. The price for this gun in grade 2 in 1914 was £24 !!!!!! Trust this helps. JJsDad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh man Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 On 01/08/2018 at 20:20, JJsDad said: Hi Old farrier. Your serial number dates your gun between 1916 & 1920. Gun number 9200 dates from 1916 and the next number jump was to 9300 in 1920. Bearing in mind this was in the middle of WW1, I would have thought W&S were inundated with orders for war related products and therefore it is likely to be circa 1919 gun, which is much as you expected. From your photo`s, it would appear to be what was initially known as a `Proprietary` model grade 2. These were later given the number designation of Model 400 and were produced from 1900 through to 1946. The price for this gun in grade 2 in 1914 was £24 !!!!!! Trust this helps. JJsDad THANKS JJsDad , for the interesting information , If I could be transported back in time ( with today's assets ) , it would be the only time in my life I could afford a new gun and with what little that was left over I could just about buy a box of 1914 cartridges , I wonder what a box from that era would be worth today , in the box and unopened Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 On 01/08/2018 at 20:20, JJsDad said: Hi Old farrier. Your serial number dates your gun between 1916 & 1920. Gun number 9200 dates from 1916 and the next number jump was to 9300 in 1920. Bearing in mind this was in the middle of WW1, I would have thought W&S were inundated with orders for war related products and therefore it is likely to be circa 1919 gun, which is much as you expected. From your photo`s, it would appear to be what was initially known as a `Proprietary` model grade 2. These were later given the number designation of Model 400 and were produced from 1900 through to 1946. The price for this gun in grade 2 in 1914 was £24 !!!!!! Trust this helps. JJsDad Thanks for the information to add a little more information on the rib it’s stamped Birmingham and London all the best of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJsDad Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Old farrier said: on the rib it’s stamped Birmingham and London This was quite a common practice used by a number of Birminham makers to attract customers due to the perceived qudos of saying "I have a London made gun". While some actually had a retail outlet actually in London a number did not. There was, and probably still is to a small degree a snobbishness attached to the gun trade where the London set rather looked down on the Birmingham makers, probably because the skilled London craftsmen earnt better money than their conterparts in the midlands, purely due to the higher cost of living and working in the capital. But wages aside; the best that London makers produced could be matched by firms such as William Powell, Westley Richards and a number of others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUNKS Posted August 5, 2018 Report Share Posted August 5, 2018 (edited) Meant to put this in the side by side section and ended up somewhere else. The barrels on my Daintith were "painted" with some horrible instant browning solution so I decided to give browning a go. This is my first attempt. Colour seems to alter depending on the light, both photos were taken within minutes of each other. But I am well pleased. Edited August 5, 2018 by DUNKS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Boggy Posted August 5, 2018 Report Share Posted August 5, 2018 6 hours ago, DUNKS said: Meant to put this in the side by side section and ended up somewhere else. The barrels on my Daintith were "painted" with some horrible instant browning solution so I decided to give browning a go. This is my first attempt. Colour seems to alter depending on the light, both photos were taken within minutes of each other. But I am well pleased. You should post a photo of that stunning stock in this section, just in case anyone missed it elsewhere. It shows what an absolute beauty the gun is. OB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUNKS Posted August 5, 2018 Report Share Posted August 5, 2018 (edited) Thanks for the compliment but the stock is there on an earlier post. It was taken before I browned the barrels. Regards. Edited August 5, 2018 by DUNKS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Boggy Posted August 6, 2018 Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 9 hours ago, DUNKS said: Thanks for the compliment but the stock is there on an earlier post. It was taken before I browned the barrels. Regards. Sorry about that, but without having to wade through 32 pages of this great thread, please post it again to keep that wonderful stock fresh in our minds. OB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUNKS Posted August 6, 2018 Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 Oh go on then. Always happy to do a bit of showing off. Thanks for the interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Boggy Posted August 6, 2018 Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 I'll say it again Wow. Thanks for posting again OB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.C Posted August 6, 2018 Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 (edited) I do think that's one of the best looking stocks I've seen. Simply stunning. Do you have a link to, or can you detail the, method used to get that excellent result on your barrels? Edited August 6, 2018 by Mr.C Stubby digits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUNKS Posted August 6, 2018 Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 (edited) Of course. Quick detail. clean and emery to 320 grit. Clean clean clean. No oil. I rust with Blackleys solution. Wait till fine rusted.4 hrs to overnight. Dip in Ferric chloride 8 to 1 with water for 15 sec then card off with de oiled 0000 wire wool under water. rinse and dry off. Then do it all over again these barrels were done nine times. They say the more times the browner the finish. Bear in mind this is my first set. They also say this finish varies with the metals used in the barrels. I also read there are over 100 ways recorded to do this, so take your pick. Edited August 6, 2018 by DUNKS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.C Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 Thanks for that. Mine, top of page 8, are a bit of a sludgey brown colour and worn where the hand has gripped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUNKS Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 2 hours ago, Mr.C said: Thanks for that. Mine, top of page 8, are a bit of a sludgey brown colour and worn where the hand has gripped. Tiz a beautiful gun though. Have a go you cant do a lot of harm. Just don't forget to plug the bores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simcgunner Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 (edited) i would like to participate please, A group of 32 inch barreled 10 bores The big gun is a 34 inch bbl 8 bore Edited August 10, 2018 by simcgunner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 58 minutes ago, simcgunner said: i would like to participate please, Oooooe, I think they just about qualify you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esca Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, simcgunner said: i would like to participate please, A group of 32 inch barreled 10 bores The big gun is a 34 inch bbl 8 bore Now I want a display case like that!! Wouldn't need a TV then Edited August 10, 2018 by Esca spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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