Shadow Voter engagement minister and voter ID

[Lloyd90]

12 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

Interesting - I ran across photo ID problems recently.

I offered a passport - declined - as 12 days out of date (no foreseeable need for one at present, so I haven't applied for renewal)

Asked for driving licence - mine is old and doesn't have a photo, so wouldn't do.

Offered SGC.  Not accepted as 'not a recognised form of ID'.

So - apparently I have no valid photo ID

Shotgun and firearm certificate is absolutely a form of recognised ID and I used mine for my CRB / DBS checks for work! 

 

[button]

21 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

The ironic thing is I only needed the ID to change a (single) old style £10 note into modern, but my bank insisted on photo ID (I might be money laundering!).

Clearly the staff do not know their job as banks should accept scg/fac

Proving_your_identity1.pdf

[JohnfromUK]

10 minutes ago, button said:

Clearly the staff do not know their job as banks should accept scg/fac

Proving_your_identity1.pdf

Interesting.  The bank asked specifically for photographic ID, and most on that list don't have a photo.  I was surprised even to be asked, as I was only changing 1 x £10 note, and have an account there.  There are three regular clerks in the bank,:

• one is always very helpful, cheerful and friendly,
• one I don't really know - but seems OK, and
• the third - quite the opposite of the first - lets make things as difficult as we can. 

I got the wrong counter on that occasion.  I have had the account there for 47 years, and the service hasn't improved in that time.

[button]

16 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

Interesting.  The bank asked specifically for photographic ID, and most on that list don't have a photo.  I was surprised even to be asked, as I was only changing 1 x £10 note, and have an account there.  There are three regular clerks in the bank,:

• one is always very helpful, cheerful and friendly,
• one I don't really know - but seems OK, and
• the third - quite the opposite of the first - lets make things as difficult as we can. 

I got the wrong counter on that occasion.  I have had the account there for 47 years, and the service hasn't improved in that time.

I have been in the sector for over 25 years and I am never surprised at hearing stories like this. Next time just pay it into your account and then walk to the ATM

 

[old man]

13 hours ago, Gordon R said:

Automatic prison sentences for electoral fraud would be a welcome addition.

No solution Gordon, npt enough prison space?

[Scully]

17 hours ago, poontang said:

Whilst I would agree to a certain extent with what you are saying Scully, it is only possible to vote if you are on the electoral register. The register holds more information than that which is printed on, for instance, the Northern Ireland electoral identity card, where only a name, dob and photo are required. If such a card can reduce the likelihood of electoral fraud then I wouldn't be averse to such a thing. A full on identity card system I would be dead against.

I have no problem with any of that which you've mentioned above; but I like you, am totally against that in bold. Being 'chipped' as oowee is in favour of is in my opinion the stuff of a police state, and something to be opposed 100%.

5 hours ago, button said:

Clearly the staff do not know their job as banks should accept scg/fac

Proving_your_identity1.pdf

This. 

[Westward]

Like others I would love to see less government and the reinstatement of those ancient freedoms that have been stolen from us, but because we now have a substantial percentage of the population with little concern for integrity and fair play we have to accept more state intrusion and less freedom - and not just when it comes to voting. Whilst ID cards are anathema to some people and yet seem very sensible to others,  postal vote fraud will always remain open to corruption. For example there are countless thousands of families where the man of the house controls everything, including how other family members vote. This came out some years back when large scale postal vote fraud was discovered in Leicester. (IIRC the local MP, a certain K Vaz esq., was implicated).

[TIGHTCHOKE]

11 hours ago, Westward said:

Like others I would love to see less government and the reinstatement of those ancient freedoms that have been stolen from us, but because we now have a substantial percentage of the population with little concern for integrity and fair play we have to accept more state intrusion and less freedom - and not just when it comes to voting. Whilst ID cards are anathema to some people and yet seem very sensible to others,  postal vote fraud will always remain open to corruption. For example there are countless thousands of families where the man of the house controls everything, including how other family members vote. This came out some years back when large scale postal vote fraud was discovered in Leicester. (IIRC the local MP, a certain K Vaz esq., was implicated).

You are quite correct, it is also rife in Peterborough for similar reasons!

[Scully]

11 hours ago, Westward said:

Like others I would love to see less government and the reinstatement of those ancient freedoms that have been stolen from us, but because we now have a substantial percentage of the population with little concern for integrity and fair play we have to accept more state intrusion and less freedom - and not just when it comes to voting. Whilst ID cards are anathema to some people and yet seem very sensible to others,  postal vote fraud will always remain open to corruption. For example there are countless thousands of families where the man of the house controls everything, including how other family members vote. This came out some years back when large scale postal vote fraud was discovered in Leicester. (IIRC the local MP, a certain K Vaz esq., was implicated).

No, we don’t have to accept more state intrusion and less freedom at all.

No ancient freedoms have been stolen from us at all; we surrendered them by indifference and apathy.

[oowee]

Surely an well thought out id system would go a long way to sorting illegals, tax fraud, housing benefit cheats etc. No need for paper licencing either. 

[Penelope]

2 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

You are quite correct, it is also rife in Peterborough for similar reasons!

And Tower Hamlets in East London

[Westward]

2 hours ago, oowee said:

Surely an well thought out id system would go a long way to sorting illegals, tax fraud, housing benefit cheats etc. No need for paper licencing either. 

When everything governments do is either for short term expediency or voter bribery (or both), well thought out systems will never happen. Whether it's immigration policy, voter fraud or the NHS and of course the ridiculously easy to defraud benefits systems. Through family, social, local and business connections I or my wife know a lot of single mothers. Without exception and usually with the connivance of their employers, they are all exploiting Gordon Brown's tax credits fiasco that now costs the taxpayer more than 30 times what he said it would, to fine tune their working hours to maximise benefits.

[JohnfromUK]

1 minute ago, Westward said:

Gordon Brown's tax credits fiasco that now costs the taxpayer more than 30 times what he said it would

Much of what Gordon Brown did (which he kept calling 'prudent')was not about helping the poorer in society, but was simply designed to provide a long term 'underclass' tied into a life on benefits - and voting Labour.

[oowee]

19 minutes ago, Westward said:

When everything governments do is either for short term expediency or voter bribery (or both), well thought out systems will never happen. Whether it's immigration policy, voter fraud or the NHS and of course the ridiculously easy to defraud benefits systems. Through family, social, local and business connections I or my wife know a lot of single mothers. Without exception and usually with the connivance of their employers, they are all exploiting Gordon Brown's tax credits fiasco that now costs the taxpayer more than 30 times what he said it would, to fine tune their working hours to maximise benefits.

Difference between using the system and defrauding it. No doubt an id system would help even though I accept the drawbacks. 

[Westward]

1 hour ago, JohnfromUK said:

Much of what Gordon Brown did (which he kept calling 'prudent')was not about helping the poorer in society, but was simply designed to provide a long term 'underclass' tied into a life on benefits - and voting Labour.

Yes, and as long as it falls under the socialist tenet, much lauded by the present Marxist opposition, of wealth redistribution, otherwise known as "take it from the producers and give it to the non-producers" the plan will always work. It's political dogma gone mad because it creates a system that undermines the old fashioned attitudes of self reliance and determination to support oneself and ones dependants and replaces it with a culture of entitlement and dependency which encourages the feckless and rewards idleness and the production of children. Thus every successive generation sucks more from the taxpayer than the one before and likewise, the NHS is continually having to demand ever greater funding because of the enormous cost of avoidable medical conditions, largely due to the same cultural attitudes.

Consequently, we can't afford basic national needs like an adequate level of defence spending and have to live with crumbling 3rd world standard roads.