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    Might sound a odd question or ramdom but is home reloading any cheaper than going out and buying a thousand for clays 

    live had a look on clay and game and got some load data etc 

    now from my working out  ( I’m bad at maths )  I would be reloading 70mm carts  for 24g 7.5 

    i will need

    powder which is £38 for a tub NOBELSPORT GM3 500g I should get just over 300 loads out of it  at 0.11 ea 

    primers box of 1k is 37.50 so 0.03 ea 

    shot 10kg7.5 lead £36. / 0.08 ea 

    Wads 500 bag £12 / 0.02 ea  

    So if I reload 300 a (tub of powder )  It works out at 24p ea or £72 for 300 or £240 per 1k  are my maths right  if they are would it not be cheaper to just go and buy 1k of tt1s for £189 at just cartridges? 

    Thanks guys 

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    Your maths are right, plus you have to factor in the cost of the gear, your time, postage or petrol to go and get the components

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     I’m not sure what the p & p is for the bits from clay and game  not cheep I would think as powder and primers are dangerous goods 

     a load all is £70  carts about £10 for 100  my time well there never enough of it 

    just cartridges are 20 miles down the road so Change from £10 in fuel I hope  and no Labour time 

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    To my mind reloading shotgun shells these days is only worthwhile if you require something slightly different OR you cannot buy a commercial product that will do the job.  I found this when I needed non toxic for my 410 and also when I needed a fibre wad load for my 410.  The shells still cost around the same price but the performance I get is far better.

    If I was to go back to serious clay competition, then I would buy commercial clay shells in quantity. 

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    Yep, if its just clay loads in 12 guage you're wanting to reload then you'll have all on trying to do it cheaper than just buying factory loads. Certainly not if you're starting from scratch. 

    There's savings to be made reloading for smaller gauges and/or non toxic loads. 

    I reload in 12 gauge purely for the fun of reloading and the satisfaction of firing your own stuff. Plus met some like minded and very knowledgeble people from it. 

    Spower 

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    can get addictive so be careful , I need my fix every now and then, but to whack your first pigeon of the day with your own pigeon special you loaded cannot get any better than that, good luck in the future , you will get plenty of help on here.

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    My working out for a 25g load at a real 1600fps

    works out at £210 per 1k, but here is the saving this cartridge is faster and patterns better than commercial bought high quality cartridges @£250and above per1k.

    yes I know you can’t use these in competition but if you can load a comparable cartridge that you do use in competition for a saving of £40-£60 per thou and then use these for practice.

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    What people forget is you don't end up with the run of the mill Kent velocity or super fast,you're making a cartridge that's the equivalent of a Hull sovereign or eley VIP ,a cartridge that's about £230-£260 in the shops 

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    I've reloaded 32g loads for the same money, it's slow load though. I reload weird stuff, the key is to enjoy reloading and shooting them. I like big slow loads, but I don't reload or shoot much these days. I liked messing with weirdo loads. I did a few loads for wildfowling, as in nontoxic loads, I can get, those are cheap in comparison to not available. The 25g loads, 7/8oz or borderline 24g loads are un-economical. The right powder isn't available

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    6 hours ago, deershooter said:

    What people forget is you don't end up with the run of the mill Kent velocity or super fast,you're making a cartridge that's the equivalent of a Hull sovereign or eley VIP ,a cartridge that's about £230-£260 in the shops 

    That's a good valid point. However, it would be good if you could let me (and everyone else I suspect) know where you get the two named brands at that price.:lol::good:

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    Reloading, using components purchased from specialist stores, will not save anything on the cheapest 12g carts bought at the 1,000 rate...................but if you are not fixated on constantly using the same powder, wads or shot, and are prepared to shop around, there can be savings to be had. Plus, if you buy a shotmaker (or build one) the savings can start to become attractive. Smaller gauges, the savings become even better. 

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    12 minutes ago, pinfireman said:

    Reloading, using components purchased from specialist stores, will not save anything on the cheapest 12g carts bought at the 1,000 rate...................but if you are not fixated on constantly using the same powder, wads or shot, and are prepared to shop around, there can be savings to be had. Plus, if you buy a shotmaker (or build one) the savings can start to become attractive. Smaller gauges, the savings become even better. 

    For me I’m just after a cheep cartridge to use down the clay ground I don’t take it to seriously just a chilled afternoon and a bit of practice for game season to get on the pheasants and ducks  come game season I will buy carts ready done unless I find a proven mix for game 

     

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    My reloading 'pays'!

    First, I mainly load 410..... great savings, made cheaper by cutting your own cards and felt wads* and making your own lead shot. (Been making it since 1973)

    *yes white FELT! Plenty of places where 12mm thick offcuts are available.

     

     

     

     

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    On 26/05/2018 at 21:30, kenholland said:

    can get addictive so be careful , I need my fix every now and then, but to whack your first pigeon of the day with your own pigeon special you loaded cannot get any better than that, good luck in the future , you will get plenty of help on here.

    +1

    I am of the worst species: i reload for test/fun/science which in itself cost a fortune (especially with these lead-like non-toxic pellets form US😁)....

    but then i go out and shoot them too...and that's where the problem is: if a shell doesn't perform as well as the data suggest i am back at the drawing board and that drives more test.

    I also like powders which are not readily available in UK, B&P, NSI ... and these cost a lot more as i need to buy the drums (5-20 Kg depending on manufacturer)  from the importer.  Likewise the primers: i don't set for what the market forces me to buy ... i buy what i need so no CX2000 in my 20 bore; mostly Fiocchi 615 or NSI 686 and these, i can't find them in 100s (at least in Scotland) so, need to buy 5-10K

    At the moment i must have a few grands in stock; good thing is my friends like them so, i get through quite a lot every year and recup some of the expenses (or at least tehy can get me the components when they're driving down south)😛

     

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    On ‎26‎/‎05‎/‎2018 at 23:10, bunnykiller said:

    My working out for a 25g load at a real 1600fps

    works out at £210 per 1k, but here is the saving this cartridge is faster and patterns better than commercial bought high quality cartridges @£250and above per1k.

    yes I know you can’t use these in competition but if you can load a comparable cartridge that you do use in competition for a saving of £40-£60 per thou and then use these for practice.

    1600 fps and patterns well? I am surprised.

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    I wonder if anyone can explain the current obsession with high velocity? Back in the mid 70,s when I started shooting pigeons, there were few pigeon shooters about, and lots of pigeons! We used factory loads, or home loads with a speed of around 1100 fps.....and they killed pigeons! I,ve tried high velocity loads, and I kill  just the same number as before! Tried them on clays, cannot see a difference in scores?  So why would I want high velocity loads?

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